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Lol...you crack me up brakelite. Read that very first verse brakelite. It says IN THE LAST DAYS!! Sooooooo The Reformers came along to save everyone during the last days to give Christians the TRUTH? The Reformers were saving Christianity by disagreeing with The Church on some things but...

No, you don't agree with the passage from Scripture that says "Obey those that rule over you'. You have made that very clear in past posts. You have made that clear in this very response. If YOU decide that those who rule over you are not living according to the truth then YOU will not obey...

Brakelite, Yes, I have read them and studied them. Have you studied them? :IDK: The 95 thesis by Luther do not mention either justification by faith alone or doing theology by Scripture alone. Does that mean that at the time he came up with those 95 complaints that The Church wasn't wrong...

Good point. And to put it another way, they decided THEY knew the Truth (proper interpretation of Scripture) and everyone else was wrong including The Church.

I think Scripture and the Council at Jerusalem are legitimate: ‘Let his dwelling place be desolate, And let no one live in it’; and, ‘Let another take his office.’

Scripture, once again, proves you to be wrong: Obey them that have the rule over you and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. if they refuse to listen even to the...

Hey Reedfan, That is a good starting point. Thank you. I have never completely read that. You stated, "the challenge of Roman Catholicism is to demonstrate that the Bishop of Rome is the only bishop who cannot use his power to deviate from the One Doctrine of the One Church that is teaching...

I'm busy today but Thursday I should have more time. Send me what you got, your thoughts, opinions on the matter and I will respond on Thursday. Respectfully, Mary

What apostolic succession is the Catholic Church promoting that isn't biblicaly based? Do you believe that the Apostolic Fathers (Clement, Ignatius and Polycarp) were part of the "apostasy"? There is a single resemblance to 1st Century Christianity that I can think of that you and your ilk...

@Brakelite are you ever going to answer post #1,203? Or do you want ALL OF US instead of just you to pretend your lie didn't happen? Curious Mary

That is a challenge......

Yes, The Church mirrors Scripture. If it didn't then it wouldn't be The Church. I know you Brakelite and I know you already have a quote from the Catechism in your quiver that you want to use to "win" the discussion. Sooooo go ahead and give me your quote so we can begin this discussion...

I know....That dang auto correction has gotten me a few times also :mad:

I should have never thought that you were talking about denominations when you said, "They weren't 'denominations',.." :IDK: And you used quotes around the word denominations as if you are quoting me even though now you are saying that you did not suggest I said it. You are wearing me out...

Ah.....I see what you are saying. Thank you. I looked back at our conversation and the reason I said that was because I never brought up Milan and Turin and you brought it up out of the blue to make some weird point that had no bearing on our discussion. I have no desire to go whatever rabbit...

No, I didn't. Read it again. There is The Church and then there is the church in Rome, Corinth, Paris, New York, etc etc. You are confusing the two.

No, I do not believe that you were saying that Paul established The Church before Christ. I didn't say that. It's very clear what I said. I don't have to create a straw man or confuse the discussion to win the discussion. All I have to do is repeat what you say, show that it's a lie or bring...

If those bishops us that "power" to deviate from the One Doctrine of the One Church that is teaching One Truth, then they are no longer of The Church.

Nope. I didn't make a massive leap Brakelite. That is how YOU interpret what I said. I never suggested that the churches in Milan and Turin had broken away from The Church. I never suggested they were denominations soooo once again, you are wrong. ;) I can provide historical Christian writings...

Complete and utter lie OR complete ignorance on your part. Which one is it? :IDK: If you took the time to do some research you would see that The Church does "talk about them". Do you ever get tired of being wrong? :watching and waiting: