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  1. GracePeace

    What was Paul's thorn in the flesh?

    1a. Since the Lord's purpose in sending a messenger of satan to attack his body was to prevent Paul from boasting, and boasting is a sin, and God's will for us is our sanctification, it would make no sense for the same Lord to have sent a messenger of satan to cause Paul to sin by being filled...
  2. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    If you are done, that's fine, but I'm regularly surprised by renewed interest in threads I thought were "done"; as a result, I remain open to continued interaction by others.
  3. GracePeace

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    LOL Yeah, we didn't choose Him, He chose us, but, yes, we believed! You know how, in Ezekiel, it says God will bring the people back to the land in their uncleanness, and there, in the land, He will sprinkle them with water? I wonder if this means something for Christians--ie, He brings us into...
  4. GracePeace

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Yup, we were His sheep BEFORE we ever heard the name "Jesus", and He came and collected us--we didn't choose Christ.
  5. GracePeace

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Just as God forgets sin, He forgets righteousness (Ezekiel 18:24; Jeremiah 31:34).
  6. GracePeace

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    If God's ability to forget righteousness holds true, since He doesn't change, then there really was righteousness (ie, faith--"the righteousness of faith") to forget, thus all of these "well, no, he didn't REALLY believe, cus if he had he would've been saved FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER" caveats...
  7. GracePeace

    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    OSAS is true, because God can forget not only sin but also righteousness (Ezekiel 18:24)--if someone who has partaken of Christ does not endure until the end in faith, their partaking retroactively never occurs (Heb 3). The odd result of this is that no one loses salvation, but Christ keeps all...
  8. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    Well, I suspected English wasn't your first language. It's not a big deal. "Love does no harm" (Ro 13). Who ever wants to reply will reply--if no one replies, the thread dies. That's fine. Not sure what this means.
  9. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    Yeah, that happens sometimes--whether it's because they know they can't prove otherwise, or for what ever other reason, there are lulls at times.
  10. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    If you did not intend to express disagreement, then, I am sorry to say, you do not know how to express yourself in English.
  11. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    You said you disagreed, and your reasoning was... I never said there was no effort or obedience, nor that God did all the work and we lift not our hands at all on our own. So, how am I "jumping to conclusions"? You said you disagreed with me on the basis that I ostensibly said there was no...
  12. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    You are not interacting with the topic.
  13. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    You haven't read carefully, because I didn't say anything contrary to this. I've tried to explain over and over. You can go back and read what I've already written--I don't think I should waste my effort explaining when you don't read.
  14. GracePeace

    Oddly OSAS

    NOTE : The specific gifts and callings that are "without repentance" are the "gifts and callings" the Jews, who were cut off for unbelief, still have, because of their fathers, BUT their retaining those gifts and callings happens at the same time as they are "cut off" for unbelief, so the...
  15. GracePeace

    Oddly OSAS

    Well, in that case, one of us is calling God a "liar", but only one of us has actually proven their point by pointing at Scripture--that was me. You denied that Paul was speaking to believing Gentiles, telling them they could be cut off for unbelief, but I pointed to the Scripture, and proved...
  16. GracePeace

    Oddly OSAS

    The text forces me to disagree. Romans 11 17But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, 18do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it...
  17. GracePeace

    Oddly OSAS

    No, they're the people referred to in Heb 10, "'My righteous one will live by faith, but if [My righteous one] shrinks back, My soul has no pleasure in him' [without faith it is impossible to please God], but we are not of those who shrink back to destruction... ." They shrank back from the...
  18. GracePeace

    Oddly OSAS

    Sure... and what do you do with verses that indicate the loss of faith, like Matthew 18, where the guy is forgiven all his debts (corresponding to the righteousness of faith, defined as being forgiven Ro 4:6-8), but, afterward, the forgiveness is rescinded (meaning his righteousness of faith has...
  19. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    If you think you're saying nothing different, good for you, but you have words like "yet", as if you disagree. If you want to disagree, go ahead; if not, I'm glad you agree.
  20. GracePeace

    Oddly OSAS

    You had asked for Scriptural citations, so, because I'd made many assertions, and wasn't going to drag Scriptural references (references you're already acquainted with, yet are asking me to drag the citations out--I'll have added nothing to you after having dragged them out for you), I asked you...