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  1. GracePeace

    Oddly OSAS

    Nope, "we have become partakers of Christ if we endure until the end" is explained by God's ability to forget righteousness--if you don't persevere, you retroactively never partook, because your righteousness of faith is "forgotten". Without availing yourself of all the tools in the Biblical...
  2. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    Actually, on this side note, I think it's why Paul could describe his lost state under Law as he did BOTH in Romans 7 ("before God" the Law shows him he needs a Deliverer from his slavery to sin) AND in Philippians 3 (where he is blameless according to the Law--before men, he could boast of a...
  3. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    The conversation (started in the OP) is actually about how the word "works" is apparently being misunderstood.
  4. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    Yeah, God loves us, and we love Him.
  5. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    I speak of "justification today and later"--that it is by being loved by God and loving God and doing what is pleasing to God--that when we do not believe in His love and do what is pleasing we are condemned (Ro 14:23), but, of course, we can be forgiven, and pick back up. Nope, the verse says...
  6. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    Spurring doesn't create works, obeying does--Php 2:12,13 "obey... for it is God at work in you...". ?? Not sure how it's relevant to how you concluded justification is not by works. You haven't answered the verses I raised. I look forward to you doing so.
  7. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    Romans 2:6-16 says you are justified and given life by works at the Judgment. Romans 8:12,13 say if you walk after the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you will live. Romans 14:23 says the one who does what he does not believe in is "condemned" (not justified). Not sure how you arrived...
  8. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    Consider the reasoning he is using : "Jesus teaches many parables, and we are to take them seriously, but, here, the parable Jesus tells Peter--because he asked for instruction about forgiveness (instructions Christ wanted His apostles to bring to the nations, so they would observe all He...
  9. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    I'm telling you, brother, nothing (except praying) is worth missing sleep. It ages you--your hair line will recede more rapidly, the lines on your face will proceed, and, internally, the corresponding aging will occur.
  10. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    If I were you, I'd go to sleep. Sleep is EXTREMELY important. Missing sleep, for one, diminishes immunity--supposedly, getting only 4 hours of sleep (or missing 4 hours?) diminishes immunity by 75% for a while. I am fine if we pick this up later.
  11. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    Will you please clarify how any of this proves I'm abusing Romans 14:23?
  12. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    Both the brother who eats without faith and the brother who caused him to eat without faith have sinned--and, as I said, they're both condemned, but the condemnation on the one is for a different reason than the condemnation on the other. Yep. However, how is this supposed to be relevant to...
  13. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    Think about your argument : "the believer can live in sin (by walking contrary to his beliefs, contrary to the law of his mind--already, this state of affairs had been the description of being enslaved, killed, by sin (Ro 7:8-24)), and his sinning will not affect his justification, nor result in...
  14. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    I agree Romans 14 can encompass the issue in 1 Co 8, but Romans 14 is not 1 Co 8 (Ro 14 encompasses generalities(21It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything to cause your brother to stumble."), 1 Co 8 is a specific example--and the condemnation (because he "sins against...
  15. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    Again, empty claims. No substance.
  16. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    Answered.
  17. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    Without repentance, yes, walking contrary to your own thoughts, your own convictions, doing things you have doubts about, is sin, so it leads to a state of condemnation, not justification--and living that way, without repentance, without returning to walking with a clear conscience, will not...
  18. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    You have claimed this, but have not substantiated the claim.
  19. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    Right, the particular examples of actions people may or may not take are not, in and of themselves, sinful or righteous, but, rather, the man who does or does not do them must be in faith, fully persuaded in his own mind. Therefore, the general concept is that the individual who does any deed...
  20. GracePeace

    Justified by Works

    How is my quoting of the verse "out of context"?