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Oh, I see — so the only two options in your mind are either a Cheshire snake hanging from a branch having a theology debate, or Adam and Eve standing there moving their lips like ventriloquists? Say have you ever argued with yourself in your own head? Ever felt temptation rise before you acted...

You are as spiritual blind as ever as you cleared have been brainwashed by Sunday School with the doctrine of celestial beings. Again, God did NOT create a celestial being, called Lucifer/Satan to be in man. Satan is NOT a created being. He is a spirit which is the spirit of man. All men...

That is correct! Wrong. It was with Eve. Wilderness? Of course. I do not follow traditional teaching of the Church regarding Satan, etc. I used to, but not anymore based on God's Word. I have clearly explained how God created evil earlier. First, God created everything that was good...

No it does not. You are spiritually clueless. I never said that. False accusation. God never created angels in literal heaven to being with. You have been brainwashed by Sunday School. The kingdom of Heaven is congregation and its messengers (angels) are God's covenant people. Say...

Silly you. You did not include the rest of my post. When I say that we were once under spiritual bondage, I mean that, before we were born again in Christ, we were spiritually enslaved to sin, the world, and the influence of own disobedience. This doesn’t mean that every person was "literally...

What are you trying to do here? This Eschatology eschatology is focus on the subject angels and the sons of God, not on personal beliefs, church background, or the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I’m not interested in discussing that here. If you want to explore church denominations or the gifts of...

I have no denominational background. Consider what Peter, Paul, and John preached — the pure Word of God. That is what I teach as well. I am not influenced by any church traditions or denominational teachings.

I rather to study God's Word, rather than doctrine of men in the church. :-)

Yes. Do you realize that all men are spiritually dead in sin (Eph 2:1)? We all walk according to the flesh and the world. We all are called "children of disobedience." These are in Scripture. Look it up yourself. Yes! It started with Eve, and applied to all of us before we were born again...

Sigh... You still fail to show Scripture that God has defined sons of God as "angels" exactly. You haven't! So we go to Scripture for God's definition: Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Who does the stars represent exactly? Revelation...

Oh, of course. Because clearly the “daughters of men” were fully aware they were having relationships with supernatural, invisible spirit-beings masquerading as men — and no one thought that was worth explaining in the text. :rolleyes: If the original audience supposedly “understood” that “sons...

As unusual, you lacks understanding as this looks like you completely missed the point. :laughing: ‘The temple of His body’ isn’t some interchangeable phrase you can play with—it’s Christ Himself and His congregation. When Jesus went into the temple in Matthew 21, He wasn’t just wandering in...

That’s a creative spin — but it only works if you ignore what I actually wrote. If you had taken the time to read my posts carefully, as you see below, you’d see that I laid out my reasoning clearly and addressed the issue directly. Disagreeing with you isn’t the same as saying “don’t question...

I’ve heard all of this before. It’s the typical standard church tradition built on speculative assumptions — particularly the theory that angels were created before the foundation of the earth and a misunderstanding of what “heaven” actually refers to in Scripture. Those conclusions are not...

Here you and Douggg go again—repeating the same error. This passage is not talking about the "second heaven, “third heaven," etc. These ideas are being forced into the text. The context is about God’s covenant people on earth—His Old Testament congregation, the kingdom of heaven manifested...

And also I like to add something for your understanding, Lord willing. There is popular belief that Satan was created by God and used to live in Heaven. After his fall, Satan still had access into heaven among the "angels" and present himself before God. However, this is a very widely held...

No. Job 1:6 ""Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them." Job 2:1 "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the...

And? And? You started it. You need to end it. Everything within the six days of creation…ok…your point is? Ok what “everything” did Good refers to that were good. Name it. Good job. I think you need to read my posts more carefully. Take a deep breath and re-read my posts. All of...

Yeah…And…he kept throwing tantrums for weeks, accusing you of “going over to TS’s side” as if it still bothers him personally.

Ah, I see. So now the KJV is not necessarily a bad translation... except for that one verse, the only one that inconveniently refuses to back up your doctrine. Brilliant observation. Got it. And as for the rest of your post — claiming that God never created evil, despite what Scripture clearly...