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  1. Wick Stick

    RT's illegitimate language use

    You... can't discern the meaning of the words in front of your face? I think I'll stop putting more words there.
  2. Wick Stick

    RT's illegitimate language use

    You didn't click on the link then, or look up the meaning of the word. There were definitely conditions. "Get out of your father's house, go to a land I'll show you," and "walk before me and be perfect" and the need to believe. I literally listed conditions and you're just pretending that...
  3. Wick Stick

    RT's illegitimate language use

    Yes, according to the meaning of the word used there. Perfect is kind of an odd translation, isn't it? I think the word may have shifted in meaning since King Jimmy's men made the translation. Yes. Gen 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred...
  4. Wick Stick

    Do you guys support Ben Shapiro or Candace Owens in their lastest dispute over Israel and Gaza?

    Yes, but through education. Blowing up the Islamic University in the Gaza was actually a great step. Now re-build it, but as an institution that builds quality humans instead of turning out suicide bombers.
  5. Wick Stick

    Do you guys support Ben Shapiro or Candace Owens in their lastest dispute over Israel and Gaza?

    I don't know who Candace Owens is. I used to like Ben Shapiro's content before he changed into a "reacts" channel. Modern Israel may not be God-fearing, but it's still a high-quality nation that's been on friendly terms with most of the Western world for the last 70 years. And Palestine...
  6. Wick Stick

    RT's illegitimate language use

    I see covenants in the Bible. They have conditions... Gen 17 The LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. Deu 11 Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your...
  7. Wick Stick

    RT's illegitimate language use

    Yes, you've got it. I should have read this post before the other one.
  8. Wick Stick

    RT's illegitimate language use

    It HAS been fulfilled by Christ, but it isn't Abraham's physiological descendants who were returned. Paternity and maternity are very different things in antiquity, and therefore within the Bible. Maternity has to do with the material of the creature - the flesh. Paternity has to do with the...
  9. Wick Stick

    RT's illegitimate language use

    Disagree. I think a strong case can be made that the unbelieving/non-observant among Israel were "not Israel" from the beginning. Look at Matthew 13. Jesus explains the kingdom as a field of wheat and tares, planted together. We tend to focus on the end of the story... at the harvest, they...
  10. Wick Stick

    RT's illegitimate language use

    A few were exiled, but most were destroyed. The Assyrians built literal mountains of human skulls after their war in the area. Those who were captured were forced to build ramparts against the walls of cities the Assyrians besieged... so even those mostly died too. The city of Samaria was...
  11. Wick Stick

    WWJD with LGBTQ?

    You take this to mean that anger is a sin? Explain.
  12. Wick Stick

    WWJD with LGBTQ?

    Maybe not, though. Stop me if you've heard this one before. The church has built their dating of the crucifixion around (1) Jesus birth being in Herod's reign, and (2) Jesus being "about 30 years old" when he began his ministry. That latter point seems pretty vague and perhaps built on the...
  13. Wick Stick

    WWJD with LGBTQ?

    Jealousy is a feeling, a negative one to be sure. But is it a sin? I generally think of sins as actions. Anger is a good corollary - another negative emotion. Paul said, "be angry, but don't sin." (Ephesians something or other) I don't think of anger as a sin, either.
  14. Wick Stick

    RT's illegitimate language use

    We agree on a lot... but not on this bit: Ther northern kingdom is not in diaspora. The northern kingdom was DESTROYED. Ezekiel envisions them as a field of dry bones. Hosea calls them "not a people" in the same breath he numbers them as the sand. The prophecies about this group DO include...
  15. Wick Stick

    RT's illegitimate language use

    I can see we aren't going to agree on this. That's fine. 1) Israel - a geographic region in the Middle East 2) Israel - a group of people inhabiting (1) today, who are (mostly) not descendants of Abraham after the flesh OR after the spirit 3) Israel - a Bronze Age confederation of nomadic...
  16. Wick Stick

    RT's illegitimate language use

    Even the Bible uses Israel to mean a few things. There's the northern kingdom - "the house of Israel." There's the united kingdom. And we've already talked about Paul using it to refer to believers. And then we also use it to refer to the nation that still exists today, both geographically...
  17. Wick Stick

    Scripture in Context

    Still waiting for Heb 6:4-6.
  18. Wick Stick

    RT's illegitimate language use

    We don't have enough of Origen's writing left to make a judgment on him. Allegorizing doesn't negate the original meaning of a text. Adding a 2nd or 3rd meaning never takes away the first one. And the allegory isn't necessarily correct. You are quoting the verses I would have quoted to you...
  19. Wick Stick

    RT's illegitimate language use

    I don't think there's meant to be an allegory there. In Genesis, God's covenant with Abraham is to make him a "father of nations." That word - nations - is elsewhere translated as Gentiles. The Jews take this literally. If one converts to Judaism, part of that process is to be adopted as a...
  20. Wick Stick

    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    I think you already have my take on it. From my reading, the church at Rome got off the tracks when the emperor legalized Christianity and claimed to have converted to it, in the early 3rd century. From that point on the church at Rome was unduly influenced by the secular rulers of the...