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    Revelation 7: 4-8 The 144000

    Thank you CTK. And a merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you also. May God Bless you also!! BTW, did you ever think on Rev. 11:10 as prophecy, still being fulfilled? [10] And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because...
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    Revelation 7: 4-8 The 144000

    Sorry, Rom. 11:25-26 is to be read now in the past tense. The Messiah/Savior did come from Heavenly Sion to Israel in the flesh first, to be the sin bearer of ALL the world as the Lamb of God, past, present and future. However, upon His Glorious return, in flaming (fiery) fire, He will suddenly...
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    Revelation 7: 4-8 The 144000

    Unfortunately, you are still making a distinction between Jews and Gentiles, whereas God Is NOT!! Gal. 6 [15] For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. Thanks for the discussion so far. It's a rare thing for Christians to agree on...
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    Revelation 7: 4-8 The 144000

    I agree 100% on your first part. But after that, you have misunderstood what it was that is "determined" in KJV Dan. 9:24, which are the six works of God, completed/ "finished" by Jesus, and then on PENTECOST was to be poured upon the "desolate" [those who were/are void of God- Jews included...
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    Revelation 7: 4-8 The 144000

    If you are implying that this all takes place with 144,000 Jews, under the NC., God has firmly declared, through the Holy Spirit in Paul: Rom. 10 [11] For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12] For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the...
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    Revelation 7: 4-8 The 144000

    The prophecy is: KJV Dan. 9 [27] And he [Jesus] shall confirm the [New] covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he [Jesus] shall cause [by the sacrifice of Himself] the [temple] sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations [of their...
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    Revelation 7: 4-8 The 144000

    Interesting concept. However, in the 70th week, the last 3.5 years of Jesus' ministry was performed by His Holy Spirit, thus continuing to confirm the NC. with His early church. Because this is the truthful rendition of the 70th week, there is no future ministry for earthly Jerusalem/Israel...
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    Revelation 7: 4-8 The 144000

    As you may know, there are many that believe the 144,000 are of literal Israel, who are chosen by God to preach the Gospel in the latter days. From that point, it gets very splintered into different theories, having to do with the concepts of a period called: "of great tribulation" and a period...
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    Gog and Magog and The Flaming Fire

    God, in His Eternity speaks in the past, present and future all at the same time. That is not our reality of how we acknowledge time on earth. The OT. Prophets had NO clue in which of the three manifestations of The Messiah, that His works were going to take place, as is the reality of what we...
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    Gog and Magog and The Flaming Fire

    I am not judging you at all! I simply gave the scriptures of how we all who are born again of the Spirit are to be be taught by God Himself. Unfortunately, many professing Christians have traded themselves off to be taught by their denominational churches, willingly swallowing their man made...
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    Gog and Magog and The Flaming Fire

    Which is opposite to what 1 Cor. 2:5-15 says: [5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power [anointing] of God....... 1 John 2 [27] But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing...
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    Gog and Magog and The Flaming Fire

    Meaning that "the true Tree" [of Life] is Jesus, who is the Chief Corner stone [of the 3rd Temple], [aka the members of] "the body of Christ", "the Israel of God". Ref. John 2:19-21; 1 Peter 2:6. Gal. 6 [15] For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a...
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    Gog and Magog and The Flaming Fire

    Mat. 21 [42] Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes [43] Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and...
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    Gog and Magog and The Flaming Fire

    Amen!! It's a rare thing these days to find brethren who can agree. Yes indeed, in our New Glorified Bodies, we will meet each other in and by His Love. Is it not true, for all we who are born again of His Holy Spirit, that we are already half way Home, to be physically with the Lord and each...
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    Gog and Magog and The Flaming Fire

    Yes we are!! AMEN!
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    Gog and Magog and The Flaming Fire

    I have read your update in post #15, and I agree with you 100%. I have not spoken anything contrary to it.
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    Gog and Magog and The Flaming Fire

    Yes, the prophets could not differentiate as to how or when the words of God spoken through them, would be manifested. However, now that 2 of 3 Promises by the Father have surely come to pass, by His Holy Spirit we can KNOW what has been fulfilled, and what has not!! One must never over look or...
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    Gog and Magog and The Flaming Fire

    If you will notice I reference much of the NT scriptures. Please read them. By His Holy Spirit within you, they will help you to understand better about Rev. 20.
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    Gog and Magog and The Flaming Fire

    Not a Wizz kid! Just someone who KNOWS which Jerusalem is being safely inhabited, ever since Pentecost! Please study and digest all of Gal. ch. 4.