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@marks Remember, I'm "oddly OSAS"--I hold to OSAS.

Those who irretrievably fall away (there are degrees--Heb 6 says they cannot be retrieved, but Paul sought to restore the Galatians), God forgets their faith counted as righteousness, which, effectively, results in the categorization of them as "never believed--never saved", all the while, the...

@marks What I am saying is we should all believe as you do--trust entirely in God, because God is awesome, not us.

And? How does that have anything to do with the reality that God will rescind forgiveness from those who do not forgive--and that, since being forgiven is by faith, this means the removal of their faith?

1. Jesus uses the example of an unjust judge to say "HOW MUCH MORE will the Just Judge do justice?" 2. Jesus says "So my Heavenly Father will do to you"--I accept it just as I read it, as you say. I hope you will, too.

The condemnation in v22 is one condemnation, the condemnation in v23 is another--one person is condemned for how he eats with faith (in a way that causes his brother to stumble), the other person is condemned for eating without faith. No, it's not the unpardonable sin, it's just stating that...

No, Jesus did not teach forgiveness in return for performance; Jesus taught that those who are forgiven ought to forgive, and if they do not forgive, then the forgiveness extended them will be rescinded, because He is fair ("Oh, really? You don't forgive? Let me rescind the forgiveness I...

The man is condemned in Ro 14:23 because he broke the rule--"each man must be fully convinced in his own mind" because "God's righteousness is revealed from faith to faith" Ro 1:17.

The parable shows forgiveness can be rescinded. Forgiveness is by faith; forgiveness rescinded is the removal of faith.

Jesus hadn't forgiven the Jews all their debts. Again, that's only for believers. Jesus taught these things to the disciples, and told them "Go disciple the nations teaching them to observe when I taught you."

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Yes, just as Matthew 18 says "I forgave you, shouldn't you have forgiven?"

I hereby categorically deny you said those words. LOL Happy?

No, Jesus said 'So My heavenly Father will do to you if you do not forgive your brothers" and "forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors", and "disciple the nations teaching them to observe what ever I have commanded", so it applies to us.

Jesus said to go disciple the nations teaching them to observe what He commanded, and we have those words there to disciple us.

Yes, those who unbecome sons were never sons, so the passage never applied.

They have to have been born again, because their sins were forgiven, which only happens when a person believes--and the rescinding of the forgiveness proves his faith (counted as righteousness) went away.

No, Jesus was laying down rules for the Church--as He said, "Go and make disciples of all nations teaching them to observe what ever I have commanded you." The stipulation "Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors" applies to the (forgiven) Church.

I didn't put those words in your mouth, I simply showed the flaw in your approach. Anyway, I await your response to Mt 18.

1 Co 11 refers to eating and drinking the Lord's supper. It refers to eating and drinking unworthily. Ro 14:23 refers to doing ANYTHING AT ALL contrary to your convictions (14:5)--because "God's righteousness is revealed from faith to faith" (Ro 1:17).