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  1. Rich R

    One and Triune God.

    1 Timothy 3:16 does not say Jesus is God. The original texts have the word "which" instead of "God," So it doesn't say God was manifested. It says the mystery of godliness. Not sure about your analogy. Every individual that ever lived is multifaceted, but not all individuals are somehow one...
  2. Rich R

    One and Triune God.

    No, I didn't want to tell anybody that. Here's what I actually said: "There is also the argument that Bob is Bob, that he is the husband of his wife and the father of his son, thus proving the trinity. Very well. But if we want to make a comparison between Bob and the trinity, we would actually...
  3. Rich R

    One and Triune God.

    Any comments on 2 Peter 1:4? Specifically, ff we and Jesus both have a divine nature, why is Jesus God but we're not? Is there two different types of divine nature? I see many times (about 50) in the Bible where Jesus is the son of God. It takes a complete abandonment of simple words and...
  4. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Yes on YHWH. That is indeed the name of the one true God. And you are right about it being a bit confusing if we read most English translations. That's why I had to get into the Greek. Anyone proficient in Greek would have to agree with me. That's just how it is. Greek was probably the most...
  5. Rich R

    One and Triune God.

    Those verses are all true. How about the following verses: John 20:17, Jesus saith to her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended unto the Father: but go unto my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and my God and your God. 1 Pet 1:3, Blessed be the God and...
  6. Rich R

    One and Triune God.

    Yes, but they were supposedly baptized in the name of the Father, the son, and the Holy Spirit. Note the commas missing in Michael Jacob Jackson. Commas are small things that make a big difference (kinda like a jot or a tittle). No need to abandon normal language just because it's the Bible...
  7. Rich R

    One and Triune God.

    Very true; water can be liquid, ice, or steam, but certainly not all at the same time. Sometimes it's water, sometimes it's ice, and sometimes it's steam. If we use this analogy, we would be forced to conclude that sometimes God is Jesus, sometimes God is the Father, and sometimes God is the...
  8. Rich R

    One and Triune God.

    If Matthew 28:19 was actually in the original text (virtually all Bible scholars say it was forged), it still wouldn't make the three people mentioned somehow actually one person. Such an idea has to be introduced from sources outside of the scriptures. Why does naming three people somehow...
  9. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    It's not possible to prove a negative, so I'll try to prove the positive, i.e. that calling Jesus Lord does not of necessity make him God. 1Cor 8:5, For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many so-called gods and - lords), So we see there are more...
  10. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Yes, Colossians is talking about the new creation of Christ in us, the body of Christ. It is not talking about the creation of Genesis 1. Good point. I'm not sure who said Jesus was created, but it wasn't me for sure. As you said, he was the firstborn which does not mean created. Two different...
  11. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    You're right my friend! Colossians 1:15 does not say Jesus was created. The word "created," though used elsewhere (meaning God knows that word), is not used in this verse. Col 1:15, Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: firstborn - comes from two Greek words...
  12. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Luke 1:34-35 says Jesus would be the Son of God. Read the end of verse 35 very carefully. The previous verses also say Jesus would be descended from David. David was a human. God did not descend from anybody let alone a human. In general, Luke is saying that Jesus would born by the miracle of...
  13. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Well you made a lot of good points, but too many to address all at once. Let's try one at a time. John 20:28, And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Maybe this could be taken as saying Jesus is God. Let's investigate. Here's Strong's definition of "god:" a god or deity. a...
  14. Rich R

    Why does God have to judge and hurt me?

    I agree with her being affected by demons and not God. However, I might point out that all people mocked God at some point in their lives, and yet God was gracious enough to send His only begotten son to die for all of us. I don't think It's as clear cut as you seem to make it.
  15. Rich R

    God is not a failure

    I understand that to be the accepted doctrine, but it's really not that simple. Gen 22:11-12, 11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here [am] I. 12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him...
  16. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    John 17:21, That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. You're also one with God and Jesus, but you're still you.You're not God nor Jesus. Better find out exactly being "one" actually...
  17. Rich R

    Why does God have to judge and hurt me?

    First of all, I'm sorry to hear you're having a hard time. I'd like to suggest that God is not treating you poorly at all. Do you believe in the devil and his cohorts? If so, you might look there for your poor treatment. The word "devil" is the Greek word "diabolos" which litterer means, "a...
  18. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Are trying to insinuate that a son can not be his own father? :)
  19. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    As I'm sure you know, we can't ignore any verses in the Bible. We must include all of them. Furthermore there can be no contradictions in God's word, the scriptures. I don't want to say Jesus is God or not. I'm just saying some verses seem to say yes while others say no. Remember, we can't just...
  20. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    I've heard that before, but I'm thinking it might be wise to let Jesus sort out who's in and who's out. I can say unequivocally that in my case you are very wrong. I say Yahweh all the time and yet I'm still born again, baptized in holy spirit, and I have a part (small as it may be) in the body...