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Dave, When you won't admit you used ridicule against the person, the Appeal to Ridicule Logical Fallacy, you do exactly what that Fallacy states you do, Appeal to ridicule is a fallacy that attempts to make a claim look ridiculous by mocking it or exaggerating it in a negative way. Appeal to...

farouk, I have no problem using the language of free will or free choice, as long as I define it within biblical parameters. 'Free will or free choice is the power of contrary choice’ (Norman Geisler) and it is not taken away from human beings by God’s sovereignty. See my article, What is the...

farouk, That's as I see it also, but Dave sees that as works when we take human responsibility for responding or rejecting the Gospel. In your view, is free will associated with human responsibility in responding to the Gospel proclamation. This proclamation comes with the invitation that...

logabe, So you don't know what 'helkuw' means? You are throwing the word around and now admit that you 'don't even know what it is'. Does't sound like you're interested in knowing either. I will only use 'will draw' as the English meaning if that is what the Greek text of the first person...

Dave, Again you avoid the issue and add words to what Jesus said, 'Jesus was coaxing Jews'. We have a word Down Under for that! You might call it: The content is the same. Oz

I can agree with your theology if I eliminate the verses I've used in this thread to counter your Calvinistic unconditional election and irresistible grace.

You still committed the Appeal to Ridicule logical fallacy. Your response doesn't take responsibility for your erroneous reasoning.

This is an Appeal to Ridicule logical fallacy. It is fallacious reasoning.

Because you have a fixation against certain verses that promote free will in the response to the Gospel. I can agree with your theology if I eliminate the verses I've used in this thread to counter your Calvinistic unconditional election and irresistible grace.

That's not what Jesus taught! 'Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God, 15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel" (Mark 1:14-15 NASB). Jesus proclaimed repentance and...

Dave, Sadly, that's a lie. I've given you post after post of Scripture and some exegesis to refute your claims. 'Only empty claims' is fake news about what I've posted. Oz

So your Gospel provides NO invitation to the unbeliever to be saved? What's the point of proclamation if a certain number of people are already predestined to heaven but the bulk are predestined to damnation? Sounds like a god who is a monster to me!!!

Dave, Your Gospel offer is not for everyone to give them the opportunity to accept or reject. Your Gospel forces people to believe as it promotes unconditional election. When you proclaim the Gospel, you need to be honest with people and say: 'This is the Gospel of good news of eternal...

Yep! That means the grace of God has been revealed to all people, bringing/offering salvation to ALL of them. 'For the grace of God has been revealed, bringing salvation to all people' (Titus 2:11 NLT).

And???

logabe, Please provide the evidence from Greek grammarians. 'I believe that Greek word is helkuo' is hardly a statement to bank on. 'I believe' is not based on facts. Do you read and exegete the Greek NT? Oz

Dave, 'Hummmmm?' That doesn't cut it. It's a non-answer of your mumblings!!!:rolleyes: Free will makes the Gospel possible for 'whoever believes' (John 3:16). Since 'believes' is in the Greek present tense, it means 'continues to believe'. Without free will, you and I can't say to...

You refuse to deal with the text of Romans 1 I've raised.

Dave, That's your assertion/opinion. Exegesis of Rev 22:17 (NIV) is not that simple. The verses states: "The Spirit and the bride say, ‘Come!’ And let the one who hears say, ‘Come!’ Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life" This...