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Ac28, This kind of put down of another Christian poster is totally unnecessary. This kind of accusation is an ad hominem logical fallacy: Would you like your person and your worldview to be debunked like this? I suggest that you follow what Jesus taught in the Golden Rule: 'Do to others as...

ByGrace, I'm entering this discussion very late. I have not read all the responses. Some of my thought may have been covered already. I apologise if that is so. What did God say would happen if Adam & Eve ate from the trees of the knowledge of good and evil? '16 And the Lord God commanded the...

HiH, Douglas Moo in f/n 32 regarding Junia being feminine [in Rom 16:7] before the 13th century, he refers to: ‘See the list in’ Joseph A Fitzmeyer, Romans: A New Translation with Introduction and Commentary, New York: Doubleday, 1993. He provides no citation from Fitzmeyer, except to add...

That's an assertion that provides no evidence. I have demonstrated over and over in this thread that women have active ministries of deacons and pastor-teachers and teachers alone. I plan on providing no more evidence. Oz

I asked about Eph 4:11 and not about 1 Tim 3:2.

HiH, Generally on this site, those who use scholarship are not looked on favourably by some because of this training. I have been treated by some as being 'not wanted' on this site by a few people who have a low view of the need for scholarship and a high view of letting the Holy Spirit direct...

'Helps Ministries' is the ministry of diakonos - deacons. Phoebe was a deaconess (Rom 16:1). There is nothing in Eph 4:11 that limits the gift of pastor-teacher to men only. Not a word against women as pastor-teachers. Oz

Would you be so kind as to show me from Scripture that the role of pastors only is separate from pastor-teachers (one role, Eph 4:11)? Again, could you demonstrate that the pastor-teachers of Eph 4:11 are only men? Thanks, Oz

HiH, In Rom 16:7 the Greek text for jounias is Ἰουνίαν. The difficulty with this word is that the word can be either masculine or feminine. Bible exegete Douglas Moo explains: Andronicus is a common Greek name, so he must have been a “Hellenistic” Jew. The identity of identity of Andronicus’s...

7t7, Here is the further evidence: Biblical evidence: A woman as deacon (image of women in ministry, courtesy Catacombs of Priscilla, Rome) Is there no evidence of any female in Scripture being designated as having the ministry of a deacon? My investigations of Scripture lead to the...

7t7, There are a number of issues in your posT that I could challenge biblically: Just because 7t7 believes pastors MUST be male and married, does not mean that the Scriptures teach the pastor-teacher role must be the exclusive role of males (Eph 4:11 NIV). Why, oh why, do you think Paul...

I don't know from where you got the idea I'm upset. I'm not! I'm interested only in careful biblical exegesis and exposition. Leading NT scholar and retired Anglican bishop in the UK, N T Wright, after a careful examination of the relevant Scriptures on women in ministry, concluded: I...

Since that denomination preaches 'what the Bible says' and concludes differently from you, what are we to do as people who love the Lord and love Scripture? Paul instructs us, 'Work hard so you can present yourself to God and receive his approval. Be a good worker, one who does not need to be...

I know, mate. I'm a retired pastor-teacher/preacher. You're not telling me anything new. I am not mixing pastoring and preaching. You are mixing pastoring and preaching when the biblical role is pastor-teacher (one person) - Eph 4:11 - and women are not mentioned as being excluded. That's what...

The Church of the Nazarene gives its reply as a big fat YES! From its inception, the Church of the Nazarene has recognised from Scripture and history that God calls women to preach and pastor. Brad Mercer has expounded on this in his article, ‘Women in Ministry and the Church of the Nazarene’...

Triumph, However, it has to do with women in ministry. I know it's difficult to shake the traditional position and examine whether it is consistent biblically. It seems to threaten both men and women. Since Billy Graham promoted the view that his daughter, Anne Graham Lotz, was a better...

That's your personal opinion. Exegesis of the text in context of the Book of 1 Timothy arrives at a very different conclusion. See, N T Wright (an eminent NT scholar), Women's Service in the Church: The Biblical Basis. Oz

Enoch, We wouldn't have Bibles in English if it were not for linguistic scholars who know/knew Hebrew, Aramaic & Greek. Your scoffing at scholars is self-defeating as you depend on them for whatever Bible translation you use. As for 'What saith the Holy Spirit? That is the only thing that...

You are flaming me.

101G, This is false that 'the apostle was not speaking to the women/wives. Paul was most definitely speaking to women in 1 Cor 11-15. Here's the evidence! In 1 Cor 11:2-16 (NIV), the women are address regarding head covering; 'Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters, I do...