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Hmmm....so according to you I am to go to Jesus to fulfill Matthew 18:17? Even though it says to go to other brothers in the Church and if that person doesn't listen to the 3-4 of us then we are to take our differences to The Church.....YOU interpret THAT as taking our difference to Jesus...

Lol....I have no "plan" here marks. It's a simple question in an effort to find out what men are your teachers. You already know who my men are. It is now clear to me that no man is your teacher. YOU (a man) are your teacher. It is now clear that you have not found The Church that Christ...

Lol Soooooo No...not exactly with protestants but with Catholics it DOES? Interesting....Even though some Protestant teachings mirror Catholic teachings and Protestants have various teachings of the same passage....The Protestant teaching is always right! :rolleyes:

Thanks 1stcenturylady, That changes Jesus statement to, "And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on your statement that I AM the Christ, the Son of the living God, I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it." Taking the conversation between Peter and...

Thanks Mosheli. It is true that Scripture does not flat out say that Peter was in Rome. I don't know what you mean by "nor is there any extra-Biblical historical evidence outside of later Roman church writings". The earliest writings we have are from Ignatius who strongly suggest Peter/Paul...

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Which denomination do you belong to marks?

Yes, that is so. I don't know what denomination you belong to because......to the best of my memory....you have never said what denomination you belong to. Which denomination do you belong to marks? NO, you are not "simply presenting the writing of Scripture". You are giving your...

Hey marks, Me and my fellow Christians will keep repeating Scripture instead of giving opinion. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church You can keep repeating your opinion, it doesn't change what Scripture says. Mary

Hey blessedpeace, Who said that The Church is an edifice built by men overtop a pagan graveyard? An edifice built by men overtop a pagan graveyard is A church where Christian meet. But I don't recall anyone saying a church (in new york, london, paris, etc) is THE CHURCH. If the church is...

Why do you always put cult of Mary in quotes? WHO are you quoting? Curious Mary

Soooo YOU means every Christian is the rock? And every Christian has keys? Curious Mary

According to Papias and Irenaeus the Gospel of Matthew was written in Aramaic. According to my Google search (which you recommended I do) when Matthew 16 got translated from Aramaic they didn't translate YOU into YOU ALL. Help me out here....can you give me a link from Google that supports what...

Nope. Nice dodge though. Kudo's to you.

Who do YOU find for answers? Protestant men? Or yourself? Me thinks YOU find the answers and everyone else is wrong.....unless they agree with YOU.

When Protestants do "research" they are doing it with a previously determined outcome. Whatever a Protestant church father says it IS Gods word....that is unless they agree with The Catholic Church, then what they say is NOT God's word.

Thank you JDB...I was trouble finding that 'post above'!

Your church (whichever one that is) so often has it's interpretation that seems to require that I ignore the actual words of the Bible. And I'm not about to do that.

Ok...let's get to the core of the problem.........Protestantism. Protestantism IGNORES the Church Fathers and Luther, Calvin, Zwingili etc are the NEW church fathers. In other words.......throw away Christian history BEFORE the Reformation and Christian history starts AT the Reformation.