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Where exactly is the "lie" here and the false interpretation? My Quote: Lets look to the 2 Timothy 2:17-20, the part you did not highlight: 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are His. And, Let every one that nameth the name of...

Very insightful. That is a good response.

I have revealed myself from the OP all the way through this thread. I did not make a lie, it is your misconstrued notion of the perseverance of the saints doctrine that is in plain view for all to see. I do not disagree that saints should depart from iniquity. You are bearing false witness...

In terms of salvation, the Bible is sufficient. In terms of theology God is incomprehensible. "The God who has revealed Himself in Scripture tells us that He is going to be “incomprehensible” to us. But does this mean that God is going to be irrational or illogical? No. It means that God is...

This is interesting, the arguments used here actually speak to the truth of the doctrine. Lets look to the 2 Timothy 2:17-20, the part you did not highlight: 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are His. And, Let every one that...

You have an absolutely obvious misconception of the doctrine, apparent from your first paragraph. I have posted this earlier, yet for your sake I will post it again. Perseverance of the Saints by Nathan Pitchford What God begins, he finishes Psa 138:8 The LORD will fulfill his purpose for me...

I see this being explained in verse 32 32 but I have prayed for you, that your faith may not fail; and you, when once you have turned again, strengthen your brothers.” According to Jesus' prayer, Peter's faith never failed. The evidence returns to us that he was/is an apostle. We think of him...

Again...Wow...I will continue to pray for you.

The concern is valid... (Hebrews 10:25) Looking to the involvement aspect though just what does that consist of? How are we to judge that in any particular case? Please do not misunderstand me, I do think it is best to be under a pastor that can guide, build, edify, teach, provide an example...

Water baptism is an outward display of one's faith. Yes the baptism is valid and should not be connected to her participation to any particular congregation. If she is baptized in the name of Jesus Christ or be it the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit then the baptism is valid. Look to...

We can see who has the attitude from the increase of font size, also from this statement, "First of all, this point in Hosea is not mine! It is The LORD's!!!" The topic was election, then you decided to switch to the ten tribes and the book of Hosea. That topic is not relevant to the doctrine...

What is marriage but a covenant between a man and a woman before God? Where are the biblical guidelines as to exactly what a couple must do to become married? I agree with Brian here.

Doubt what you like, I have read Hosea, and understand it well. Your arrogance sets the tone of your responses, or lack thereof. I pray the Spirit works on your puffed up attitude. Again your point is moot and invalid within the context of election, which is the topic of your choosing. The...

Ephesians 1:5 5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, The entire Bible is about God and His will, not man and his will. Free will is a lie and a doctrine derived from man's observations, not scripture. Scripture...

As you admit Paul used this to refer to the Gentiles, so your point is moot. The point I make is all who go through the salvation process are elect. And your response to Romans 9:15-16? How about John 6:44?

This was not written to the apostles and speaks to the case of election: 1 Peter 1:1-1:2 1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen 2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father...

There are actually creditable scientists that believe in a young earth theory. :)

Interesting watch... Berlinski is in Expelled: No intelligence allowed I actually thought these were clips from that documentary. I am glad I took the time to watch and you took the time to post!

This use of the word "apostle" is the same as used by biblical authors known as the common vernacular, as all of the NT is written in. We also have... The term “apostle” also is used in a second sense—what we might call an official sense. That is, “apostle” can refer to individuals who were...

I don't wear a big crucifix around my neck. I don't go out giving tracks, or go door to door. I don't have scriptures on my tee shirts, or a tattoo of a cross on my shoulder. I did not drop all my non-believing friends and family. I don't have an us vs them agenda. Our fight is not against...