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Yes… that Applies to they Whom and How Christ Jesus Saves. They Made “IN Christ”… and “Christ (the power of God, the Seed of God) IN that man. 1Thes 4: [15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them...

Not the man, ( ie body) was alive. Yes the mans Soul was Alive. As God IS ONE God United… Father, Sin, Holy Spirit, each having specific roles… So Also IS ONE Man ONE United… Body, Soul, Spirit, each having specific roles… A mans Body is Required to Die… A mans Soul, Spirit has no such broad...

The same Exact passage Can have Two meanings of understanding… * Carnal Understanding, Deduced by logic…(and utterly irrelevant) * Spiritual Understanding, Given a man, by, through, of the Lord God, to the man. Glory to God, Taken

Where it occurs, not important. That Eternal Separation is a possibility, is important. While ManKinds confessions and Heartful beliefs occur while the man IS Alive… No human man “RECEIVES” the Lord Gods Gift of Salvation… “UNTIL AFTER” the body IS ( IN Gods books, records, accounting...

Christ Jesus “Saves” they who heartfully Confess Belief to Him. God “Saves” they (unConfessed) whose Heart would have or Heart does Believe. Gods Word teaches man to Verify All things. God even He (who Knows All things) Verifies… a man Heartful Beliefs. Jer. 17: [10] I the LORD search the...

“Death” in The Spiritual context … IS separation FROM God. “Damnation” (for ManKIND) in The Spiritual context … IS; * Permanent “MORTAL” (Bodily) Death. It’s Life (blood) ceases to flow. IS; * God permanently DEPARTING “HIS” Life (Gods Breath) from a mans soul. IS; * God WITHHOLDING His “SEED”...

Is the "free gift" of salvation really free? - Honestly? Yes. Not ONE human individual Laid down his Own Life “TO PAY the COST” of Salvation… Every single Human, will, shall, must Bodily Die. (That IS Gods Requirement.) Gen 5:9 Jesus Paid the “Salvation Price”, offering His Body Unto Death...

The questions are.. Is ICE performing their authorized duty? Yes. Does a Civilian have authorization to ignore an Officer of the Law’ command? No. Does a Civilian have authorization to Attack an Officer of the Law with ANY Weapon? No. Does an Officer of the Law have authorization to use Deadly...

@WPM @Spiritual Israelite @covenantee @Marty fox @All other anti-Church Absolutely THIS World IS and Shall Be subjected to Tribulations… No one has claimed otherwise! Some people Experience Tribulations Daily of Men Against Men… They “IN Christ”, go through the Tribulations OF THIS World...

You reject me Saying and Quoting Scripture that Says… Who, How, Why. :rolleyes: The Rapture Escape Occurs, Before the Tribulations From Heaven Begins… Tribulations….From Heaven Are … The 7 seals Judgements The 7 trumps Judgements The 7 Bowls Judgements Yes… During the Trib… God Is NOT ON...

To be deceived…as you say… you must have held a belief of WHAT … pretrib means… You never have said. Since you believe The Saved IN Christ Will be ON the Earth During the Trib Sent from Heaven… Where are YOUR Scriptures that Say… Christ the Lord IS ON Earth During The Trib… That They IN Christ...

You may be talking “ABOUT Them Specific”, but you don’t delineate … You say “True Believers”… as IF that is what Scripture says, it Doesn’t…. Scripture Divides … Confessed Believers IN Christ, baptized by the Lamb God… Are Not the same as “Believers.” They Baptized by the Lamb of God… ARE...

You reject …. HOW and WHEN and WHY they Delivered IN Christ, shall Escape Tribulations and Wrath sent Down From Heaven…in what is called … The Last Great Tribulation; The deliverance…“in a Phrase called “caught up”… in a Word called “Raptured”.

FALSE… Believers can Believe AND STOP Believing. Believers “IN Christ”… have Confessed their HEARTFUL Belief To the Lird and Been “MADE” Baptized with the Holy Spirit BY the Lamb of God.. One day Joe Blow tells a buddy he Believes and two years later tells his buddy, he doesn’t Believe… Was...

If you cannot answer a QUESTION… just say so.

It is Gods Word that reveals Knowledge. It is The Lord God Himself that GIVES His Understanding of His Word…. Some Have Received His Understanding, many have Not. Many unbelievers AND “Believers” WILL experience … * the Wrath of the Lamb… * the Wrath of the Devil… Are you still “without...

The Who, what and why has been repeatedly in detail been given with Scriptural Verification No one will read, study or can understand for you.

There are “total” 21 Trib Judgements. The Last 7 are Gods … What about the First 14… ? Do you also believe “Believers” on Earth will escape those Wraths ? If so, how?

Beyond the basics —- Pre-Trib deliverance, of who, and why has been discussed on this forum in Depth… And still people as yourself are still without understanding of who and why. It is foolish to pretend yourself an expert on what you do not understand… Not amused.

@WPM @Spiritual Israelite Why do you call … Believers … WRONG who ARE IN Christ … WHO Christ IS IN them… Who ARE (by God) accounted Righteous… who Escape Gods Tribulations…. who are Delivered from Gods Tribulations … who are Delivered UP to their Lord … in the clouds… BEFORE… God Sends His...