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  1. OzSpen

    The gift of tongues

    An ad hominem logical fallacy (abusive) like this is attacking me as a person when the attack on me is completely irrelevant to the argument I've been making about the nature of the gift of tongues in 1 Cor 13:1. You try that approach one more time and I'll put you on my ignore list.
  2. OzSpen

    The gift of tongues

    There are too many errors of exegesis for me to engage with them this late on a Monday night. Your copy and paste of a large chunk from another site has caused you to accept the imposition of meaning on the text that does not come from the text. Take your statement: 'What does St. Paul mean by...
  3. OzSpen

    The gift of tongues

    Xenoglossy means 'purported use (as by a medium) while in a trance state of a language unknown to the individual under normal conditions' (Merriam-Webster Dictionary 2017. s v xenoglossy). There is no trance state of languages used by the apostle Paul. The word 'xenoglossy' does not appear in...
  4. OzSpen

    The gift of tongues

    What's the meaning of glossolalia from the Greek NT?
  5. OzSpen

    The gift of tongues

    101G, You obviously don't know NT Greek, otherwise you would not be wanting to support xenoglossy with 1 Cor 13:1. This is what 1 Cor 13:1 states in the Greek NT: Ἐὰν ταῖς γλώσσαις τῶν ἀνθρώπων λαλῶ καὶ τῶν ἀγγέλων, ἀγάπην δὲ μὴ ἔχω, γέγονα χαλκὸς ἠχῶν ἢ κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον. There is γλώσσαις...
  6. OzSpen

    No scripture supports the Rapture

    keras, There is a sound alternate explanation of the verses given in support of soul sleep. Note Matthew 10:28, “And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” It obviously indicates immortality if it cannot be...
  7. OzSpen

    No scripture supports the Rapture

    keras, It doesn't say that at all. Ps 146:4 (ESV) states, 'When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very day his plans perish'. The 'he' who returns to the earth and 'his plans perish' refers to his body. We know that from other passages of Scripture. Eccl 12:7 (ESV) confirms...
  8. OzSpen

    The gift of tongues

    You haven't told me where 'xenoglossy' is used in 1 Cor 12-14,
  9. OzSpen

    No scripture supports the Rapture

    keras, That is incorrect teaching as the story of the rich man and Lazarus demonstrates (Lk 16:19-31). The dead, believer and unbeliever, are conscious after death. That's Bible. To deny this is to deny the clear teaching of Scripture. We also know it is false teaching because of what the OT...
  10. OzSpen

    The gift of tongues

    Where in 1 Cor 12-14 do we find Paul's speaking in tongues described as 'xenoglossy'? Or, is that your subjective interpretation?
  11. OzSpen

    The gift of tongues

    How often do you go to Pentecostal/Charismatic churches to know that 'counterfeit tongues' is presented? How do you discern the difference between true vs counterfeit tongues. What criteria do you use? I have just finished teaching through 1 Corinthians 14 for a home group in my church. Which...
  12. OzSpen

    The gift of tongues

    bb, Please demonstrate that from Scripture. You haven't done that in this response. Where do you find 'xenoglossy' in Scripture. The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines xenoglossy as ' purported use (as by a medium) while in a trance state of a language unknown to the individual under normal...
  13. OzSpen

    The gift of tongues

    bb, You are not 'countering' mate. You are giving your own subjective interpretation. I wish you would deal with the Scriptures I provided to counter your judgment that Pentecostal glossolalia is "gurgling and cooing like a baby". I give up expecting exegesis of the text when you are committed...
  14. OzSpen

    No scripture supports the Rapture

    That is not how the ASV, used on this forum, punctuates Luke 23:43. It would be superfluous to tell that thief that I am telling this to you 'today' when they were on crosses alongside one another on that day. That's your way of trying to promote soul sleep or Christians not going immediately...
  15. OzSpen

    No scripture supports the Rapture

    keras, You do not accept what I wrote about John 3:36 that believers have and continue to have eternal life as long as they believe. That's Bible. Heb 9:27 says that 'Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment' (NIV), AFTER THAT does not state that it happens...
  16. OzSpen

    No scripture supports the Rapture

    keras, You did not respond to the Greek verbs that I presented in John 3:36 where I have eternal life NOW, as long as I continue to believe. 'Has' means I have it now. Your relying on Eccl 9:5 for what happens after death forgets about other Old Covenant revelation before the cross that was...
  17. OzSpen

    The gift of tongues

    bb, I find your statement that Pentecostal glossolalia is "gurgling and cooing like a baby" to be blasphemous. This is how Paul described glossolalia: 'For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit' (1 Cor 14:2...
  18. OzSpen

    Why do so many Christains treat unbelievers as the enemy of God?

    So which Oneness/unitarian group do you belong to? You want me to read your post #170. It is so incoherent, I gave up after reading half of it. Please learn to write in straight forward language that is easily understood. Using correct punctuation also would be a great help.
  19. OzSpen

    No scripture supports the Rapture

    keras, How does that teaching harmonise with John 3:36 (NIV): 'Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on them'? 'Believes' is a Greek present tense participle, indicating continuous action. 'Has' is Greek present...
  20. OzSpen

    Why do so many Christains treat unbelievers as the enemy of God?

    I provided Scripture to support the 3 persons in the One Godhead, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You have provided NO Scripture to support your unorthodox theology. Your post should be in the Unorthodox Doctrine Forum. Oz