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Agree My post was not intending that they are the apostacy of 2 thess 2 God always speaks beforehand of that which will be = Isaiah 46:10 Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me, Declaring the end from the beginning, And from...

i read (quickly) Post 177 i am getting ready to retire for the night as i have a big dead tree to cut down it cannot be cut from the ground = i must climb to the top and piece it down prayer for safety is appreciated

Did you look at Psalm 2:1-6 and Rev 19:19 as they speak of the SAME event

@marks Do you see yourself as having greater understanding then the Apostles Paul and John???

EXACTLY

i agree and would add that the knowledge is being used by wicked men for their wickedness/lusts and rebellion As with all things God declared "Good", the wickedness of men corrupt that which God originally intended for our Good. We see this very application in Paul's letter to the Romans: For...

my Brother in Christ @marks i will always consider AND believe the TRUTH FYI - i was SAVED 40 years ago and spent many years in churches with brethren studying pre-trib rapture SHALOM

On the CONTRARY God denounces it in His word = i believe every word that comes from the Mouth of God AND to make 100% CERTAIN, i tested every word of pre-trib rapture against God's words. AND God's words PREVAILED simply because God NEVER lies AND pre-trib rapture NEVER came out of the Mouth...

ABSOLUTELY TRUE ABSOLUTELY NOT

Sure would if you were any of the three Apostles: John , Paul or Peter Sure would if you were James who wrote the Book/Letter of James These Anointed and Appointed men bear Witness by the Holy Spirit that the apostacy/falling away/departure is NOT the Rapture. QUESTION of the DAY for @marks...

the last line was the BEST = "but YOU @MA2444 are in the HEART of God if you be in CHRIST"

The "departure" is NOT the Rapture The apostacy is a DEPARTURE from Truth my precious Brother in Christ @marks, will you believe the Apostle John who said the very SAME prophecy as the Apostle Paul

@marks, i have to step out for a work estimate - will be back in a couple of hours

The "departure" is NOT the Rapture The apostacy is a DEPARTURE from Truth my precious Brother in Christ @marks, will you believe the Apostle John who said the very SAME prophecy as the Apostle Paul

Because if the Rapture already occurred it would mean only ONE VERY OMINOUS and FORBODING TERROR And He said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and...

i do not 'denounce' you my Brother, for that would be sin = sin that i do not want to give an account for before our Lord & Savior By-the-WAY, i am not a believer in amil and my Brothers on here know that, as we spoke together on it a year ago on another thread. Yet, these same Brothers prayed...

marks, you need not reply if you choose it is IMPORTANT for you to SEE how you altered God's words which CHANGES the EXACT TRUTH Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him, we ask you, brothers, not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any...

you gave me a good laugh - ty bro

Why mock God's words??? God set the rules - not me! i am commanded to abide under His commandments! What about you?

It still is not correct and in CONTRADICTION of the exact wording Here is the CORRECT wording: Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him, we ask you, brothers, not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter seeming to...