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Wow.... You really aren't making sense here. Please try to follow the flow of the conversation.

Good heavrns Bread... I already did! I wrote a rather lengthy post on it! Im not going to do it again.

No... Thats not my point. I haven't addressed that at all. That's what YOU are trying to make my point. I was discussing BoL's list of quotes from people who wrote 100+ years after Peter died as not being primary sources (and I am 100% correct) and how they contradict each other (and again i...

What are you talking about? I was stating all those quotes you provided weren't primary sources!

Thwy are not primary sources. Otherwise they would've been written by someone who was around when Peyer and Paul were around. God calls those things which are not as though they were. That doesn't mean you get to. But they funniest thing is Kelpha quoting me saying nothing so he could go on...

I have to admit an error... Small one. I asked for "prime" sources. The proper term is "primary sources". I apologize. Nonetheless, none of these are primary sources. And I hesitate to comment too much on them because I haven't read enough of their writings to justly form an assessment of...

The account in Ester doesn't prove the point. You have no proof that she didn't keep her fast a full three days and three nights. You have on the 3rd day she invited the king to a banquet. It was a wine banquet for him and Hayman.... Not her. It doesn't say when the banquet was held or that...

Point A: not true! I believe Peter may have been in Rome NOT because of 1 pete5:13, but because of other testimonies. If I was going by the Bible alone I -- as well as any other reasinable person -- would never conclude Peter was in Rome. Point B: give me a list of any Church father's...

Once again Kelpha, you are going off half-cocked. Everyone knows who started that phrase: me. I am the one! But even though I have explained why I used the term, you haven't understood or perhaps missed my explanation. It is in reference to 1 Peter 5:13 where Peter says the church at...

Mary If the disciples showed up with 200 gallons of ice cream he would've been ticked off.... Its hot in Israel. It would've all melted. OR it wouldn't have melted and Jesus would've said, "see? I told you that you would do greater miracles"! Seriously... Im going to have to get back to...

BoL, This is part of a big problem I have with you folks... Why do you believe I believe in sola scrptura? Furthermore, do you even know what my thoughts are on peter and paul in rome? You should because I've presented it plenty of times! Yet, there are 2-3 participants that make the same...

This is destined to be a whole thread of Catholics tinkling on our leg and telling us its raining. I'll pass on that.

1 Peter 5:12-13 KJV By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand. [13] The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you , saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son. Peter (the...

No.... I just can't let all this be: You said, The impotence of your response can be summed up in the following phrase: "My opinion: "I don't agree". Yea... Typical. You once again take a partial quote of what I said.you don't discuss what I don't agree with. You simply pull this out of...

I am only going to respond to one thing you said Bread of Life, to so the sheer idiocy of you response and that of kelpha. You said: "Finally - as to your hysterical fallacy that Peter and Paul weren't in Rome together that would come as a complete surprise to the Early Church. But, I'm sure...

Marymog, Wow! Forgot all about this thread and sorry i haven't responded quicker. I'm afraid I cannot answer as well as I want on my cell phone as I want. That is, with detailed scripture. I will do my best. In the OT it was clearly defined what the Levites got: 10% and there were some...

1. Ignatius didn't mention or even refer to Rome in the entire letter. The mention of the catholic church (which means universal, but more properly "pertaining to the whole") was an example to show the importance of church leadership: WHICH I AGREE WITH! I've never been shy about that point...

Oh really? I didn't really find it worth responding to. Easy to refute, but not worthwhile. But, ok...

Yes BoL... Hijacked. From what? Proper historical perspective and context. Ignatius didn't mention Rome so that is a irrelevant question. In fact, he appears to be speaking against the idea that the Church had one central location. He's speaking of the importance of a bishop. You catholic...

Yes.... The Babylonian Catholic Church. That is... The church that is headquartered in Vatican City around Rome, Italy. I read that quote from Ignatious of ANTIOCH.... Didn't see anything aboutRome, Babylon or the Vatican there.... Again, hijacked history.