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  1. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Matthew 24:31 is not the rapture. The gathering of the elect in Matthew 24:31 is after Jesus has returned to this earth. It is referring to the gathering of the Jews back to land of Israel. Matthew 24:31 corresponds to Ezekiel 39:28. The gathering of the Jews back to the land of Israel, even...
  2. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The opening of the seals reveals what the events will be. All of the seals on the book have been opened, so we know what the events will be. The events of the 7th seal are the 7 trumpet plagues, to happen during the great tribulation. The event of the 6th seal will take place near the...
  3. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I believe that Jesus will reign and rule on this present earth for a thousand years following His Second Coming. Zechariah 14 proves it.
  4. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Events revealed when the seals are opened. That is what you need to look at. Not seal numbers. Events. The "tribulation of those days" is over when the events of the sixth seal takes place. The word "great" is intentionally left out in Matthew 24:29. Because the great tribulation is...
  5. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Overall - eternity. But there are segments to it. The beginning years being the great tribulation time frame of 1335 days. Then the thousand years of Revelation 20 following Jesus's Second Coming. Then Satan's short season. Then the Great White Throne judgment. Then into eternity in...
  6. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    In 2Peter3:10 it is during the day of the Lord that this present earth is destroyed. In Revelation 20:11, that destruction is alluded to at the Great White Throne judgement - after which, follows eternity, of the new heaven, new earth of Revelation 21-22. The day of the Lord is shown on my...
  7. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The events of the 7th seal don't follow the sixth seal event chronologically. The 7th seal is opened in a later chapter than the sixth seal. But the trumpet plagues revealed when the 7th seal is opened are not after the sixth seal event.
  8. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The vials of God's wrath could be poured out during the last one year within the great tribulation time frame of 1335 days. The day of the Lord is eternal, not just one year. The great tribulation is a beginning segment of it.
  9. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The 7th seal events take place beginning when the AoD statue image of the beast is placed on the temple mount. There will not be peace on earth at that time. This chart will take you right through the seven years, the seals, the trumpets, the woes, It also shows the steps of the little...
  10. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The rapture, the beginning of the day of the Lord, Jesus's second coming - are different events. normal daily activities - condition of the world for when the rapture takes place. saying peace and safety - condition of the world for when the day of the Lord suddenly begins. the world in...
  11. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Yes, I know. But I was adding my two cents.
  12. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    There is definitely disagreement amongst us pre-mils regarding how end times events will fit with one another. But we pre-mils are in unison that when Jesus returns, it will be followed by a literal thousand year reign of Jesus on this present earth.
  13. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The first six seals on the book are presented in Revelation 6 because the events revealed when they were removed act in order. The seventh seal is treated separate, and is not opened until Revelation 8, because it is not a continuation of the sixth seal event.
  14. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    It is not in the sixth seal event text. 1290 days of the great tribulation are over when the sixth seal event takes place, the Sign of the Son of Man in heaven. But not all of the great tribulation. The 7th vial of God's wrath, Revelation 16:17-21 is poured out on the earth, right before...
  15. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Jesus's Second Coming is His return to this earth. Armageddon is a gathering location in Israel, where the kings of the earth assemble their armies to make war on Jesus. That will be before Jesus's Second Coming. In Revelation 19:11-21 is Jesus's Second Coming. In Revelation 19:18-19 are...
  16. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    In Revelation 8:1, Jesus opened the seventh seal to reveal the seven trumpet plagues. To take place during the great tribulation. The last three of the trumpet plagues are woes to the inhabiters of the earth, Revelation 8:13. The fifth trumpet, first woe, is the flesh tormenting locust which...
  17. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    There are no clouds in the text of the sixth seal event in Revelation 6:12-17, the Sign of the Son of man in heaven. The reaction of the kings of the earth will be to gather their armies at Armageddon to make war on Him. Revelation 14:14 is Jesus sitting on a white cloud while the kings of...
  18. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I agree that Matthew 24:29 is part of the sixth seal event. But what you are skipping over is Matthew 24:30a. 30a And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light...
  19. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The beast is an end times person. A human being of the present generation. the little horn > becomes the prince that shall come > becomes the Antichrist (7 years begin) > becomes the revealed man of sin > becomes the beast (rules for the final 42 months of the 7 years) As the beast, he will...
  20. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The beast has not yet come to power to reign 42 months. Still a future reality.