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  1. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    No, the verse actually says in the day when the Son of man is revealed. Which is in Matthew 24:30a, the sign of the Son of man in heaven. The day being referred to is the day of the Lord. Not a 24 hour day. 1Thessalonian5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so...
  2. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    No, not left to flee....but left to face further persecution. The fleeing they should have done earlier. Actually, the first time I heard the interpretation I gave you of those verses in Luke 17 was by Jack Van Impe around 20 years ago. Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the...
  3. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Luke 17:26-29, people will be at ease. Luke 17:30-37, the time of persecution when the abomination of desolation is setup. Flee, or else possibly be taken and be forced to worship the state image or else.
  4. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    There are a lot of questions we don't have the answers to.
  5. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Don't try and turn around what I wrote. You demanded scriptural description of the shocking after affects of the rapture. I said that there are none. You were not satisfied with that answer, and demanded again that I give scriptural description of the shocking after affects. I gave you...
  6. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    A non-Christian is riding in a car, driven by a Christian who is suddenly taken in the rapture. What would be the shocking after effect? One example. There are automobile crashes that happen everyday. Yet scripture says nothing about automobile crashes.
  7. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    There are none - so as that the rapture moment cannot be pinpointed by that means.
  8. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    No, I don't believe that the rapture must happen before the 70th week starts. The proponents of the Pre-trib view is that the entire 70th week is considered "the tribulation". I do not. I believe most of the first half of the 70th week, the world will be saying peace and safety - not...
  9. Douggg

    Roughly Charting the scriptures

    No, a time frame is a quantitative expression of time. Such as, 3 1/2 days. A week, etc. A significant period of time in relation to creation. Like the prehistoric age. The dinosaur age. The messianic age. Seems to be, yes. Just as one man's truth, is another man's lie.
  10. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Because the nature of the two witnesses coming back to life is not that of the rapture/resurrection which is redemption of the bodies of believers. The rapture/resurrection change into eternal, incorruptible bodies with happen in the twinkling of an eye, at the shout of Jesus, with voice...
  11. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. You don't believe that Jesus can come for the rapture/resurrection pre-70th week, i.e. such an hour as you think not, correct ?.
  12. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    This present earth is destroyed before the Great White Throne Judgment takes place. Revelation 20:11 Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Then in Revelaton 21, John...
  13. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    No, I am not saying that Jesus's Second Coming back to stand upon the earth will be secret, nor unseen. Here is a visual I made of that day.
  14. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    No one on earth is going to see the rapture/resurrection happen, only the shocking after effects. i.e. persons suddenly disappearing.
  15. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    That's on the way to heaven, where the place in the mansions are. Because the Father sends Jesus for the rapture/resurrection to heaven. The rapture/resurrection is the redemption of our bodies. 1Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which...
  16. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Jesus did not call the places in the many mansions in heaven - a city. Jesus was saying to each Christian that He was returning to heaven, and will someday come again for the purpose of receiving to Himself and taken to that place He has prepared in heaven. The New Jerusalem does not...
  17. Douggg

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    John 14: 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. Jesus at His Second Coming to stand...
  18. Douggg

    Roughly Charting the scriptures

    I would not define a thousand years as being an age. Nor 2000 years as being an age. I would call both - time frames.
  19. Douggg

    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    i.e. the redemption of our bodies. I am looking up, my redemption draws near. We are the parable of the fig tree generation. Luke 21: 34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come...