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I was referring to the language used in Ro 5,6, and the reason eternal life is afforded us (referred to as a "gift") there is in response to our natural state/gift of slavery to God in Christ that results in holiness.

No, there's another potential reason for the apparent discrepancy: "predestined" is not being defined correctly, and/or it has dynamics (whose "outline" can be groped for and detected in all those passages warning believers of the potential of falling away) that we are unaware of (which, fishing...

@Eternally Grateful Maybe the difference is that Adam did nothing to be alive, but he did do something to die? But how does that correspond to our context when the explanation for our having been "gifted" eternal life is not on those grounds, but on "being found in Him", where good works are...

Joke ;-)

Just tangentially, I was asking God why one is called a "wage" (death in Adam--as a result of his trespass, we were born naturally slaves to sin, leading to our "paycheck" of death), but the other one is called a "gift" (eternal life in Christ--as a result of Christ's obedience, we who are born...

Just checking! Lol

How did you GUESS which passage I was talking about with @marks!? Lol @marks since the verse is up did you want to talk now? Lol

Sounds good.

That was tangential to the topic. If you want a thread on Israel/Church, where you can address whatever angles on it you want, then start a thread on it. Lol This thread is on "predestined", and I want to discuss that, and I am following up on a reply you made.

@marks All right, you demanded the Scripture you already know I'm talking about, and which you've already answered, be posted, yet you, the one demanding it be posted, did not care to post it, and you are upset that the Scripture that you know I'm talking about, and which you refuse to post, is...

You already addressed it lol. Now you're acting like no one has a clue which passage I'm talking about. You're welcome to post the Scripture you know I'm asking about. If that's asking too much, you're free to bow out.

We both know which Scripture I'm talking about. You already addressed it lol. Now you're acting like no one has a clue which passage I'm talking about. If it helps you to have it posted, you're welcome to post it. I don't need it posted.

Funny you didn't ask me to quote the Scripture when you gave the answer you gave before. What changed? We're already discussing it (Ro 8), and I'm asking how you work these things out.

So, are there people who are predestined, making sure they reach the door, so that they have the opportunity to go through it, who DO NOT use that opportunity to go through the door?

Which, again, was why I said "type". Anyway, we've discussed. If you had anything else you wanted to discuss (on the topic of the thread) go ahead.

Christianity is difficult to understand! LOL! Remember when Christ returns there is the fearful lazy servant--and Christ doesn't even correct him about his erroneous view (instead, He says, "You KNEW that I was an austere man..."), rather, the problem Christ has with him is that he wasn't...

It's a difference in emphasis, I think--but, obviously, that emphasis is a conclusion that is reached through precipitating theology, and those precipitating theologies also emphasize different truths, and there are many cases where neither side has satisfactory answers for the others'...

Understandable! lol

I was merely explaining the differences between the two--ie, that, contrary to what he was saying, he didn't have to subscribe to a "system" to qualify as a "Synergist type"--I didn't want to get in to that discussion. I'm aware there are different views on the topic--and no Synergist would say...

Yeah, or else he thought Christ, by that, had meant "Go into all the nations and teach the Jews who are dispersed/in diaspora among the nations." He didn't get it. He also didn't get that he wasn't under dietary restrictions. But it shows God's mercy and love toward us that God didn't just leave...