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  1. quietthinker

    Was the Transfiguration a vision, or an actual appearance of Moses and Elijah?

    You haven't given me your version of how you understand 'the wrath of God' ....and I would add, you have missed the description of God's wrath made clear in Romans which you have posted.
  2. quietthinker

    Was the Transfiguration a vision, or an actual appearance of Moses and Elijah?

    God/ Jesus will rescue those waiting for him at his return. That is his preventative plan. Those who don't want anything to do with his righteousness will be left to their choice which will result in self destruction. God does not violate them or their choices but leaves them to the inevitable...
  3. quietthinker

    Was the Transfiguration a vision, or an actual appearance of Moses and Elijah?

    how would you define 'the wrath of God' Johann?
  4. quietthinker

    Was the Transfiguration a vision, or an actual appearance of Moses and Elijah?

    I see you haven't understood the God of Jesus....but prefer the God the Hebrews insisted on
  5. quietthinker

    Was the Transfiguration a vision, or an actual appearance of Moses and Elijah?

    No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying that Moses who wrote of these events believed God was responsible for everything that happened on Earth both good and bad. All the Hebrews had this understanding. It was an error Jesus corrected by telling us it wasn't God who brought about destruction but the...
  6. quietthinker

    Was the Transfiguration a vision, or an actual appearance of Moses and Elijah?

    It is hell here because we choose badly. The freedom God gives us includes responsibility for our choices. Bad choices result in miserable consequences which includes hating others, hating ourselves, anxiety, depression, lack of security and fear....plus many more.
  7. quietthinker

    Was the Transfiguration a vision, or an actual appearance of Moses and Elijah?

    How do then reconcile John 3:16-17 'For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Do you conclude that if...
  8. quietthinker

    Was the Transfiguration a vision, or an actual appearance of Moses and Elijah?

    ..and so you interpret the Greatest Lover known to Man as one who drowns and burns people if they don't dance to his tune? Do you think there could be another way of understanding/ interpreting what you read? One that is consistent with the character of one who who is prepared to and dies for...
  9. quietthinker

    How do you understand Isaiah 19/ 18:25

    It is speaking in metaphors. Just as 'Israel' is a metaphor for God's people, not just the Jews, so Egypt and Assyria are metaphors for the Gentiles. Of these folds they will hear the Good Shepherd's voice and there will be one flock and one Shepherd. See John 10:16
  10. quietthinker

    Was the Transfiguration a vision, or an actual appearance of Moses and Elijah?

    ....and so you live in fear of God....as you have stated in a previous post. Do great lovers want their beloved to be fearful of them?
  11. quietthinker

    Was the Transfiguration a vision, or an actual appearance of Moses and Elijah?

    Jack, you interpret certain sounds and call it English yet the sounds you interpret from the Bible sound more like one who finds glee in punishment than one who bends over backwards so that we bumbling fumbling humans can understand his forgiveness and acceptance.
  12. quietthinker

    Was the Transfiguration a vision, or an actual appearance of Moses and Elijah?

    God's justice is liberating the oppressed. It is not requiring payment .....as if God were petty like us. Grace...yes, Amazing Grace ....let it amaze and you and you will gladly sing his praises without even being prompted .... or resist it as did Judas. Resistance is the great sin aka unbelief.
  13. quietthinker

    Does the inclusion of the Sabbath prove that the Ten Commandments were for Israel alone?

    That God is our source of life, the which Jesus gave both now and in eternity. He is the Creator and recreator. I think the awareness of the Sabbath was never absent from the leaders and linage of folk who were God connected even while the masses were traumatised by their various oppressions...
  14. quietthinker

    Was the Transfiguration a vision, or an actual appearance of Moses and Elijah?

    God is the greatest lover in the Multiverse. Love means being vulnerable and Jesus manifests this vulnerability. His wooing never ends....even to the point of death. He never says marry me or I'll blow your brains out ie, he never says take it or leave it. Are we able grasp the breathtaking...
  15. quietthinker

    Was the Transfiguration a vision, or an actual appearance of Moses and Elijah?

    It is for you to figure out f2f. Arriving at a conclusion which synchronises and clarifies truth from fiction is the desired outcome......may it be your objective!
  16. quietthinker

    Does the inclusion of the Sabbath prove that the Ten Commandments were for Israel alone?

    Evidence in text of its observation is here nor there, it doesn't negate its origin, its purpose and the injunction to remember it.
  17. quietthinker

    Was the Transfiguration a vision, or an actual appearance of Moses and Elijah?

    Revelation 12:9 'And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent called the devil and Satan, who deceives all the world.....' Here is one person showing you a single verse. :)
  18. quietthinker

    What is the basis for the unbeliever's condemnation?

    What is the basis for the unbeliever's condemnation? Their determined wilfulness in rejecting God's judgement. .....and what is God's judgement? is it not to exonerate the fallen race....not because they deserve it or earned it or are worthy in any form. They are justified by his Grace