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Actually we have an outer man because of Adam...because of his sin we were cut off from God and HIS covering...so we were naked in the world....both physically AND spiritually. We all have an outer man to cover up our spiritual nakedness. But what is good for this world is a hindrance for...

Not at all. Paul was not a philosopher. As a Jew he was very pragmatic in his descriptions. He in fact warned against vain philosophies. Rather he experienced the inner man/outer man duality in very real contrast....that's why he wrote what he did. Whether we will benefit from his admonitions...

When Paul says..."it is no more I" he is identifying with the part of him that God does....the inner man. He is identifying a law in his members...the outer man. When Paul says I am crucified with Christ....he is saying that his outer man is out of the way. "No longer I"... is the outer...

We are born again in the inward man...or inner man...the part of us that contains our spirits....and our wills. That is the part of us that is created in God's image...and EVERYONE has an inner man. So that makes all people redeemable. The outer man is the outer covering of protection needed for...

Follow the bible. Paul speaks of the outer man...the shell that protects the weakness and nakedness of the "outer man" of the flesh. Here the flesh is a power...a nature...imbued in the outer crust of the soul. Sin is within the body...not the body itself. The problem is a spiritual...

This is more ridiculousness that has the coming of Christ to be a side-show compared with the supposed REAL righteousness....that of Abraham. o_O

One day Mark might say. "Man I didn't realize how much my outer man was burying my inner man. I'm sure glad that pesky Epi guy stayed on my case otherwise I might never have come through the time of blindness. I was SO SURE that I was rich and in need of nothing. Man, what was I thinking?" "Oh...

I know the difference between the outer man and the inner man. There is no way an outer man can fake the fear and humility required for a real connection with God. It goes against his nature to do so. No, the doctrines must be turned around to favour a smug self-assurance. When you see a radical...

I know what you are saying. I have read the statements of faith that most people here are parroting. But there is NO understanding coming from the argumentation...because as soon as a verse is cited that totally destroys the premise of the statement of faith...it is either... 1. ignored...

How many here believe that God imputed His righteousness (just as holy as God is) to Abraham as opposed to just seeing him as a just and faithful human? Was Abraham born again from heaven? Did Abraham walk in the death and resurrection of Christ? let's see how much confusion reigns...

I respond according to your responses. if you justify yourself from the outer man I will call you out for it...in hope that you will be saved in a deeper way...in the inner man. No posturing...just honesty and truth. Maybe nobody has tried to speak to you with any depth before? Maybe everybody...

I am indeed against the religious posturings of the outer man. So you are right about that. BUT, I appeal to the inner man...the part of you that is actually created in God's image. The problem is that until a person is crucified, the person will hide behind the outer man and claim to be saved...

EXACTLY! :) We can agree at least on that.

Being ignorant of God's ways doesn't have to be a slight on a person...but you take it that way because of where you live from...the outer man. Now the outer man in you will rise up to defend and deflect. Anybody with an ounce of discernment would call you out on it. So you are mainly safe in...

You make everything about you...and that is exactly the kind of person that is open for indoctrination. You refuse to actually look at the biblical arguments I am presenting...logical arguments founded on the WHOLE counsel of God not just a statement of faith found in some cultic denomination...

of course the opposite is true. The problem is when people justify themselves by their beliefs. The modern doctrines are cleverly evil...they MAKE you become self-righteous in order to part of their group. They make you claim to be righteous because of your doctrinal stance. If you don't do that...

Now you are equating and confusing faith with Covenant. No mention of covenant in regards to faith in the passages you posted. Look, it takes a real honesty to see the truth. If you wish to remain as you are then that's fine. You should leave it at that and not try to make lame connections in...

No...it is the faith OF Christ...notice the little word...of. I have already explained elsewhere that we can believe ON Jesus or INTO Jesus. The text in Romans 4 is about who will inhabit the NATIONS...not the New Jerusalem. The faith of Abraham is NOT the faith of Christ. We were held by the...

We are justified by faith...of course. What you are missing here is the level of justification being addressed. It is an evangelical fiction to add in here..."shall be imputed the righteousness of God..." (emphasis mine here...and a mistaken assumption by those who add to the words from God)...

Gal. 2:20 has become one of those "name it claim it" verses that people adopt for themselves in order to ignore its significance. The meaning is lost when a verse becomes popularized by religious interests. It is the best way to hide a difficult truth. Paul did not say..."I am creating a new...