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Hello heartwashed, Your theory makes no sense to me. Putting your theory into practice means that if I see someone stealing and I judge them for it that means it is 3 times as evident on my own face? I am a theif also. If I see someone walk by a hungry, coatless and homeless person on a cold...

I didn't change what you said Ferris. I quoted what you said. And when a person starts name calling and lying about what was said it is evidence they are wrong.....but to embarrassed or PRIDEFUL to admit it.

If you think you didn't commit a SIN (what you call an offending behavior, but Scripture doesn't) and the church says you did commit a SIN and you disagree with the decision of the church (what you call the sum totals of all believers) then what is that Ferris? By your own admitance CLEARLY you...

Scott, Scott, Scott. For a man who wrote a book, you are not book smart. The Church DID NOT depart from the teachings of Christ and the Apostles. SOME men did....but The Church did not. The TRUTH did not stop being taught. Some men started teaching OPPOSITE of what The Church was teaching, and...

I am going to make this real simple for you Ferris since you are at an early stage in learning Scripture: If a person is ex-communicated from The Church for committing a SIN, even though in their reaiding of Scripture it is not a SIN, then there is CLEARLY a doctrinal difference. What's so hard...

Oh goodness Ferris......The passage says "SIN" not "offending behavior" as you have suggested. Maybe you like to misquote or add to Scripture but I don't. Why are you changing Scripture? 2nd off, let's go with your "sum total of believers in the congregation" theory. Is that done by majority...

Stop it Ferris...PLEASE just stop it. YOU quoted 6 words from a passage. You used those 6 words as evidence to back up your theory. So PLEASE don't suggest that I am "grasping" at anything. I responded to what YOU wrote. MARYMOG has made it very clear that we ARE talking about ALL the passages...

Oh goodness Ferris...I'm tired. you are wearing me out. WHO is 'the church' in the part that says 'and if he still refuses to listen to the church treat him as a pagan or tax collector'? Your men have taught you that EVERYONE is the church. So using your teaching the offending brother and the...

Thanks for chiming in Ferris. Your lack of logic and knowledge are on full display. I get the gist of what you are saying about The Church making a very quick decline. But your logic makes no sense. Just because some men began to teach a false doctrine or taught something different than what...

You make absolutely no sense Ferris. YES, that passage says when a brother sins against you. Therefor we don't need to look at any other words from that passage or the passages surrounding it. Peter is Satan also....Matthew 16:23....That The passage plainly says he is! o_O

Well, first off Ferris, that is not a passage. ;) Those are 6 words of a 20 or so words (depending on which translation you pick) of a passage that is connected to several other passages that have to be put into context. Nice Try...you should take a day off Ferris Bueller. :)

I am very knowledgeable about what the passage is actually talking about Ferris. And my 350 word response shows that I am very knowledgable about what that passage is talking about. How many words have you written to show me that you are knowledgable about that passage? NO I don't see the 2...

Hold on Scott....HOLD ON! :D So your theory is that The Church, CHRISTIANITY, for the first 1,500 years after the death of Christ made a slow departure from the teachings of Christ and the Apostles? And then wham bam, magically, with the blessing of God 500 years ago the enlightened by the Holy...

Lol....I already answered that question Ferris. You even quoted my answer. Here it is again: No, I am not lying when I say it is about ex-communicating church members over doctrinal disagreements. How about if you take what I have written and prove it to be wrong instead of just giving your...

Riggghhht....I should follow YOUR teachings....because you are not fallible but priests are....o_O

Lol...You make no sense to me. That is why I am disagreeing with you....and, as I laid out in my scenario, so does Scripture.

Ah...I see what you are saying. Thank you for the clarification....and being patient with me! :cool: No, I am not lying when I say it is about ex-communicating church members over doctrinal disagreements. Lets look at that passage from Matthew 18 in context: “Moreover if your brother sins...

Am I lying???? Did you even read what I wrote Ferris....oh goodness. You are wearing me out. I was showing how the theory that has been presented DOES NOT WORK!!! Lol...A different stage of knowledge of Christ?????? What on God's green earth does THAT have to do with the men of the Church...

Your theory makes no sense Jim and it is circular. Here is your circular argument in practice: STEP 1: When MEN read the Bible, they should follow God's word. Step 2: God's word says when there is a difference between two men, they are to take their difference to 2-3 other men to settle it...

You have a very good memory Ferris. Thank you for refreshing mine. You believe your list of men that you follow are gifted believers that have been called and anointed by God!!! So riddle me this Ferris: If those men that you listed are gifted believers that God has called and anointed, WHY do...