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The bible does not say that works don't justify a person. Of course they do. We will only be judged by our works. People get confused because of the way Paul explains things. Paul says that there is a justification without works. YES there is...IOW not JUST works justify you. Justification by...

Again there is a mixture of truth and error...with errors being built on more error. I'll just address one error here. That of a permanent partial sanctification. You are using a human reasoning based on a morality you were born with in Adam...and ignoring the bible when it sounds "impossible"...

I am in no way obliged to try to teach you from the beginning all these basic bible teachings in the scope of this thread. It's too much. Are you trying to tie me up due to what you can't find in the bible for yourself? Check out rather all the threads I have done for the last 9 years or so. I...

You have it exactly backwards. A salvation scheme that is an invention of man has no power over sin. Did Jesus sin? Why not? Was He powered by Adam? NO He is Christ. So then the grace of God is not to be powered by Adam but by Christ. So why do you boast of having Christ when you are still...

Reb. 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: 3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not...

Both Calvin and Luther are not just guilty of heresy but also of murder. These were just as Paul was..before his conversion. They were zealous religious men like Paul BEFORE His encounter with Christ. Many false prophets have arisen to deceive many and for some strange reason...these are...

Agree with your last point. We are not to look for a life on the edge. But there are people that God places there. It's up to us to support such brothers in prayer without judgment.

Now the word "whosoever" can be speaking on more than one level. The verse used by Sonny et all is actually not the best one to describe his stand...although it can still work. John 3:16 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should...

Here is a twisted logic that ONLY very indoctrinated people can agree to. ---A sinner can enter into Christ and sin from there in whom is NO sin and who has never known sin nor ever will.---- Good luck with making that appeal to any honest person. Of course this post will be ignored or twisted...

To break the gospel down to it's basic element one has to consider this. Did Jesus come to forgive our continual sinning...ie...save us IN our sins? Or is the gospel that Jesus came to save us FROM our sins...in remission (freedom.... Aphesis) from sin? Only the lawless want a freedom to sin...

The power of the gospel is disbelieved by modern self-styled believers who select certain verses that become emotional favourites and that are used for self-justification. The gospel is according to power not God losing His eyesight and His sense of smell. God is patient and He is...

Just imagine how your posts appear. You are the one who brought the porta-potty to this thread.

What is a true believer? Abiding in Christ is a miraculous provision of grace so as to walk as Jesus in this world...as an overcomer just as Jesus was. As He IS so are WE (if we abide in Christ) in this world. He who says He abides in Him ought to walk even as He walked. That is the bible. Take...

When? What are you talking about? Judgment day? Only Christians will be judged by a questionnaire and all others will be judged by works? Why do you put yourself above being judged by your works? Are they evil? Are you hiding them? You are making dogmatic statements based on a religious...

and the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things entering in choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. But Jesus said to him, “No one, having put...

So we see that being sincere like Sonny reaches out to people. What makes the position of the "Whoevers" attractive in it's simplicity is that they avoid being religious and preachy. They step away from dogmatism or doctrinal positions. They are simple people who acknowledge their need of Jesus...

To bring some balance to this topic...I'd like to also say that having moral convictions can also have a positive side. We NEED some convictions in the absence of walking in the realm of the Spirit where ALL truth can be known. Here are a few examples of moral convictions that are a good...

It serves well to keep people out of the actual race of faith...and stops them from entering the kingdom of God...which is seen as a work. So they don't enter in and they try stopping others by regurgitating the same errors from their own indoctrination.

Where moral convictions are concerned the rule of thumb should be as follows... Moral convictions are only good if you keep them to yourself. IOW I am not to hold others to MY moral convictions. And we are not to confuse OUR moral convictions with the law of Christ. That's when hypocrisy and...

There is so much confusion in your responses that it would take a LONG time to sort out all the error. One does not become this indoctrinated over night. It requires error built upon error....built upon more error. You don't understand what works are for. And you are mistaken in saying that I...