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By all means, do post them! I guarentee I will amen every one of them. But I go back to the notion that we don't lose it, but that we never had it. And I have HUNDREDS of verses that say we were predestined, and UNLESS you list a spiritual sin, that anything we do in the flesh is forgivable...

I have read and re-read your post several times. What you have written here I'm not really in disagreeance with. BAC (born again Christians) cannot fall from grace however. Only because the never really were. In 1st John we read and understand that such was never really a part of of...

How deep shall we look into it? Shall we look at Romans 3:10 or Isa 64:6? I'm made righteous by the blood of Christ.... Nothing more. I can't do anything to make myself righteous other than point to him.

Not sure.... But there is some thing off about this. I love Romans 6! But there is something off about the presentation. It might have something to do with Romans 5. And Romans 8. Well, Romans 5 tells me that no matter how much sin I have, grace abounds even more so. And Romans 8 tells me...

If you are married, the bed is undefiled. If you are covered by grace, you're covered.

Funny wording.... Why did you ask how Mary had a MALE child? Is it possible to have a female child without a man? I mean... My anatomy, physiology and biology classes I've taken say that's impossible too! I can't explain it.... The Holy Ghost overshadowed her and she was pregnent. It's also...

Interesting question! First if you are talking about water baptism.... I'm of the camp that doesn't believe that water baptism is necessary unless you are talking about Jesus giving you the water he spoke of to the Samaritan woman (obviously not literal water). There is nothing wrong with it as...

Maybe if you gave me an example it'd help me see your point of view.

I agree with the latter part, but I don't understand the former point you are trying to make. Yes, they were tortured and killed for their beliefs. I don't know if they complained or not.... Certainly Jesus didn't complain and I believe many others followed the teaching that it is an honor to...

I can sit in a chair and not do anything good.... Does that mean I'm doing something evil? There's an absense of good, but am I doing something evil? Of course not. There was the child in Isa 7 who doesn't know to choose good or refuse evil. Doesn't really make much sense that he didn't...

Yep, God created evil. Not only that he sometimes sends evil and does evil. Not only "tornadoes" but actually sends evil spirits to infest people.... Saul for example. Furthermore to say God merely permits evil to happen is not giving God the credit for creating ALL things. Look at the tree...

There is a movie about Martin Luther that I found to be pretty good. It's called "Luther". I highly recommend it.

Disagreed with what? Do they think the movie was better than the book? That's fine with me.... But it isn't a matter of opinion that there were things in the movie/series that were not in the Bible and were contrary to the Bible. I watched only aout 90 minutes of the series and I saw plenty....

I watched the first hour of the series and didn't like it. They got WAY too much wrong! It's not a matter of interpretation, but they had things in the series that were flat out contrary to to the Bible. I simply stopped watching.... The book was better than the movie. As for TV.... I like...

Interesting point Robertson. I have no scripture to back this up, but just putting it forth as a maybe... It could be that were were told what he taught during his 40 post resurrection, but we just don't realize it. I am referring to Acts and the epistles, and especially those of Peter and...

Apsen I don't think you can overidentify with a doctrine. I certainly would overidentify with a doctrine that is truth. In fact, I don't want any other doctrine.... Furthermore, if you associate with a doctrine that isn't truth I do believe you are a fool, hypocrite and a heretic. The...

I have to relate something to you.... First off, I agree with you, but listen to my story.... I was once on another board defending something I thought was true... But in the end I was wrong. What did I do? I humbly admitted my defeat and changed my point of view. I expected my detractor...

Justin, Yes that I can agree with. The conversation works both ways though. Usually there is two foxholes dug! I would suggest that if you (speaking in general here... not just you) find yourself debating with someone and fail to convince him or her don't just assume they are someone who is...

I apologize for getting off track... I don't have an answer to your OP.... However, you did say you asked if the HG really wants you in that much pain [paraphrasing]. If you are a Child of God, of course not. God may be the cause of the pain, but it was to get you on the right path again. He...

The sin might get you the spanking, but God's the one often swinging the paddle.... Sin is the reason for the pain, God's the cause of it. It isn't something I have to prove , it's just the way it is.