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You aren't understanding the bible..as if that is a surprise. There are 2 levels of walk in the bible. Paul is only concerned with the higher walk...the walk of perfection in Christ. He pushes away everything else to run THAT race. But unlearned and unstable people seek to make a salvation...

When a person plays around with biblical concepts with the mind but without any sense of truth or reality....playing with fire seems quite safe.

Watch as the lie is propagated. Someone who believes the law is holy and that God empowers people by grace to fulfill the law= legalist Someone who pretends they are something they are not through a dogmatic ideology based on the carnal mind= right believing

In the same way that when Jesus died the veil (parochet) of the temple was rent from top to bottom exposing the holiest place to all priests in the temple...likewise when we are crucified with Christ, God's holy presence fills our hearts. And if are not yet ready to be crucified from this life...

LOL You have to lie and misquote me to make your points because you are acting from your true source ...the carnal mind. You are posting things that expose your lies. So keep on lying to prove your real position to all. The truth to you is like something that hurts your flesh. So you seek to...

The grace of God is a gift from God. But the purpose of that grace is hyjacked by carnal enemies of the cross to justify themselves while in the flesh...refusing to be obedient and ask, seek and knock for the full entrance into kingdom life. These draw back unto perdition.

Amen. Rejoice in the Lord always. :) We are to be Christ centered...not self-centered. If we can't be crucified...dead...we can still carry our cross in this world. We can still identify with Christ and also the brethren...the "we." We can walk so as to encourage others. We can hold our ground...

Backwards and false. You are justifying yourself in the flesh. You have no right to the finished work of Christ for yourself or for your self-centered effort to save yourself. Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it. Jesus said that...so you will ignore Him. I don't care if you ignore me...

You can't see that many who are born again will be cut off because they remain self-centered...not Christ centered. They justify their flesh rather than taking it to the cross to be dealt with by God. They remain uncrucified and have no life from God. To have everything revolve around a birth...

Not at all. People don't understand that Paul is speaking about a spiritual kingdom walk. And this is a walk that almost nobody understands these days. So the message is being entirely lost. People divide by the flesh and the lies of the flesh. This is grieving to God and His Spirit.

Being truly born again means a revelation of an entirely new realm....the kingdom realm of the Spirit. Now this is nothing for the flesh to boast of. It is a gift of God but not a pass for sinful flesh. From that new birth comes the higher calling of entering into the kingdom realm and walking...

Abiding in Christ is to walk as a dead man with Christ's life manifested in the mortal body. To disparage that is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit...who is doing the works. It is to be an enemy of the cross. A person who walks in the resurrection power of Christ is only a legalist to the devil. To...

Your mantra has nothing to do with you. You can't accept the finished work of the cross because Jesus is not your lamb. He is the Lamb of God. In your selfish religiosity..you make outlandish and blasphemous claims to save yourself...not perceiving that this condemns you. No fear of the Lord...

You are diverting from the truth here. And you didn't respond to this. If you want to go farther into the truth on this read this... Ps. 106:30 Then stood up Phinehas, and executed judgment: and so the plague was stayed. And that was counted unto him for righteousness unto all generations for...

It's not about behaviour it's about behaviour! You gotta love these threads based on human reasoning! ;)

Hello Gnosticism. o_O

I already know what the bible is saying. It's your turn to try understanding what is written. I can help you if you wish to be honest by not ignoring some verses in order to defend other verses that you don't yet grasp the meaning of. Or you can continue to white knuckle certain verses while...

Randy Kluth said: ↑ That also had a covenant that propagated a new spiritual nature. Where do you see that in Scripture?

That's not true. James 2:24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without...

You are playing a shell game here with too many marbles. There is NO new spiritual nature under the law. That is patently ridiculous. Is there a game going on here of which I am not aware...as in...how do get things wrong in every possible way? :) There is no achieving eternal life. We are...