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Verse 5 is a general statement to mankind. You obviously read the verses I gave Enoch, but you don't agree with them? What I believe is we do not go in and out of the Spirit, but either are slaves to sin, or slaves to righteousness. Romans 6:15-16. There are many who fight this because they...

I'm sorry I frustrated you, but I really thought I answered your question. Clearly there is more to discuss. As far as "perfection" there are some on here, and doctrines in the church that started shortly after the death of the last apostle, it seems (thanks again for the quotes), that...

Wow, thanks for these quotes. I see false doctrine started sooner than I thought! Yes, we need to be constantly growing. What 1 Corinthians 13:9-12 is talking about is even with the Bible and the Apostles, we will still only know God partially, not as He knows us. But go to the end of the...

Jesus was speaking to people that were still under the Old Covenant, because Jesus was still alive, had not yet been crucified and resurrected, and the Day of Pentecost when His Spirit fell on the devout Jews had not yet happened. Davy, my dear friend, I'm sorry to tell you this and please...

Okay, now I'm interested. What did they teach that you don't agree with? Thanks. The Mosaic Law of the LETTER, the Old Covenant Ten Commandments, which was holy, but superficial, and cannot make us righteous, because of the indwelling carnal nature we still had. The New Covenant of the SPIRIT...

What? Why don't you quote the real authority on the subject. The Bible. What makes them think that Jesus came to save just Gentiles. He came to His own. Israel. The Church started with only Jews. Gentiles weren't added until Cornelius in Acts of the Apostles chapter 10. And the Great...

Yes, that just means we went from immortal to mortal. When this body actually dies, it must wait for the resurrection. No one said anything about being born spiritually twice. But going from dead in sin, to alive in the Spirit. That's once.

Well that's just silly. The Church was FOR Israel. They were only partially blinded until the last of the Gentiles foreknown to come into the Church is fulfilled. Then that blindness shall fall off the eyes and minds of Israel, and all Israel alive at that time shall be saved. It ends for...

I cannot determine which Ironside is siding with. That the church is separate from God's relationship with Israel. Or that there is one Church and God's promises to Israel include them in the Church.

We know that in order to be born again, we must first die, right? So God narrows it down to where does sin reside? In the nature. So which part of the soul, spirit and joints and marrow makes up our nature? Romans 8:9-10 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of...

You made that up! Those that are Christ's have ALREADY crucified their flesh. It is dead. We now live in Christ. Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God...

No I don't. It is dead. But you can honor yours all you like if it helps you justify your willful sins. I prefer my divine nature. You never answered the question. Does your life confirm 1 John 1:8 or not? But if you actually feel like you don't feed the old nature, and actually follow Christ...

Enoch have you never felt your old sin nature leave you and you were filled with a new nature? Is that why you believe you still have your sin nature, because you actually do?

Know what Paul is calling our flesh. It is our nature. What is born again - our nature - is our mind and heart. IOW our spirit and soul. They are separate from our body of bones. Our spirit and soul changes and becomes immortal. But our body must still die because it is separate from where sin...

ECF? Is that Episcopals? Well not being Catholic, Orthodox or Episcopal, then no I don't know what they believe. But I am not thinking of "purgatory" when interpreting 1 Cor. 3. Just so you know. Being in a denomination, or going to church, or even believing in Jesus will not save you if you do...

The "flesh" is our nature, friend. Don't you know that? How else does Jesus take away our sin, if not by taking away the cause - our nature? Do you think we can continue to willfully sin and call yourself a Christian? Can you murder and steal and lie and commit adultery? Do Christians do those...

Baptism is in OBEDIENCE to what God has done for us. Jesus died so our nature we were enslaved with could die. And then Jesus was resurrected so we could rise changed in nature to live our life for God. His followers are obedient, not disobedient; so of course they will show the world through...

I'll first just answer this section, which is all I've read so far. There are two types of sin. 1 John 5:16-17. Sins unto death 1 John 3:4, and sins not unto death, those who Jesus is our Advocate and keeps cleansing as long as we keep fellowship and forgive those who trespass (sins not unto...

You assume you will commit future willful sins of lawlessness 1 Jhn 3:4 even though Jesus has taken that nature away in the Born Again followers. Are you a follower, or just religious?

Yes, that is what I was telling Marymog. Did you miss that?