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One good thing happened on October 31st. Martin Luther nailed his 95 Thesis to the doors of the Catholic Church!

Prentis, that's all a bit far fetched from where I see it. Several points: 1. Please reread Romans 5:2. It does not say we stand by grace. It says, "By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God." The "wherein we stand" tell...

Not much, but it was a good overview of things I've heard in the past. One thing I did learn is that the Catholic Church moved "All Saints Day" from May 14th to Nov 1st. I knew that, but what I didn't know is that they named May 14th as All Saints Day to cover up a Roman Pagan Holiday which...

I'm too busy not celebrating Halloween right now! Ask me in a month or so! :P

there was a pretty interesting show on the History Channel last night on Halloween... Anyone see it?

Prentis, which Bible do you use? I don't generally bother with people who switch from Bible to Bible. I don't look down on them, but I have my reasons for not bothering to talk Bible with them. If you want to believe and preach sanctification as a process, that's ok. I don't see the Bible...

Prentis wrote: "My point is that you are taking one side, the side that says 'has', the side that says, we were saved, and build everything around it. Yes, we were saved out of Egypt, but that far from guarantees entering the promised land." That's absolutely true. It's called, "making a...

What a mess... Prentis, you took a fragment of a bunch of verses and strung them together, didn't you? The first is probably from Revelation, Then you went to Romans (misidentifying it as Hebrews, which I can excuse), then off to 2nd Peter, then jumping Phillipians. Next Matthew. The last one...

Really.... How do you do it then?

Go ahead and believe that grace doesn't cover all sin.... 1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 1Co 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not...

And another thing.... These gnostics that supposedly preached about sins of the flesh don't matter, or whatever you said.... John doesn't say anything about them. He does talk about people denying Jesus being the Christ, but not about a group of people you claim did whatever they wanted in the...

Yea, but you aren't the only one in the conversation. As for works beign the fruit of salvation, I'd disagree. I have news for you.... We all have a willful and ongoing sinful lifestyle in the eyes of God, IF NOT covered by grace. Everyone from the squeekiest clean home economics teacher to...

The Bible says faith and works do not mix. I am not defending sin, I am defending grace. Grace covers all sins of the flesh. You seem to be saying that once we have grace, somehow we keep it by not sinning.

Ok.... Not a problem! :)

Nomad.... I am not going to play the game of "this version is better than that version." So you stick with yours, and that's fine. If you want to continue debating 1 John 3:9 that's fine too. So here's the ESV: No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him...

LOL! You haven't given any verses to consider in this thread.

Thanks.... I'll stick with the KJV....

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (G4160) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. From Strongs Greek dictionary: Commit G4160 poieō poy-eh'-o Apparently a prolonged form of an obsolete primary; to make or do (in a very wide...

The Bible doesn't say its a process. We were sanctified once for all by the offering of the Body of Jesus Christ. Romans 5:10 says we were also reconciled by the death of his Son. The word is used twice in that verse, both times its past tense. Its already been done.

I agree... That is what James taught. Peter didn't think so but it took some doing on God's part to show him that. Paul never believed it. Glad we are on the same page.