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I'm saying flesh in this context of Paul is nature. You only believe it is body. So I'm asking you how you think we are not in our body when in the Spirit. Doesn't make sense.

I already did. Romans 8:9

You never mentioned nature. Do you know what part of us is our nature reborn? When we are not in the flesh, that means we are no longer in our old nature, but in the Spirit that killed the old nature, nailing it to the cross. Therefore, flesh is nature, not body. Romans 8:9 makes no sense at...

You answer my question. I'll put it another way. If you are not in the FLESH but in the Spirit, and you say the flesh is the BODY, and we aren't in it, what happened to our body? And when are we in the Spirit? Now, or in heaven?

I have a chore to do, so I'll be back later.

Well, I can't wait any longer for you to answer my question against your premise that flesh always means body. I'v In order for something to be reborn, it first has to die. So what dies for our nature to be reborn? You say body. Wrong. That comes later, and verse 10 is so that we would not...

Look at body, soul, and spirit What is nature? What is flesh? Romans 8:9 says we are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit. So where is our body if we aren't in it?

It is how Paul uses it, and he uses it two different ways, so the CONTEXT (which I've argued for before with you) must be taken into consideration.

It has to do with Mary's modesty???

The problem isn't with the definition of the word, but the context of how it is used. 1 John 1:6, 8 and 10 is a prime example. Romans 7:18 is another taken out of context.

The likeness was changed before He was even born. For instance, I look the same as I did at 30. People would still recognize me though I had not seen them since high school. But my inside nature was changed when I was born again and received the seed of the Father. 1 John 3:9. Jesus was...

The Ten Commandments was to show us our sin. So that is how we were to examine ourselves in the Old Testament, BEFORE the Spirit was even given. Now we have the New Testament to examine ourselves by, and it is even a higher standard. But don't forget, faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the...

I'm happy, but I have nothing to be prideful about. That twisted thought is on you. I believe what God says, and I've experienced it. Jesus did it all, not me.

I agree with all of that. But that is not all you believe. You also believe your carnal nature has not been taken away. It is just those sins committed by it are forgiven.

@charity, @Addy I know God's word is true, because it works. I have experienced the removal of the carnal nature I have experienced receiving a divine nature I have experienced the baptism in the Holy Spirit I have experienced sinlessness of willful sins of lawlessness I have experienced...

If you don't want to hear what I have to say, then just put me on ignore. Because I care too much to leave you in your false doctrines without, at least, countering with the Truth. It is up to you if you believe me or not.

Addy, show me where Jesus says He does NOT take away our sin. What doctrine do you believe that contradicts what I believe that you believe is your truth?

Just for the record, I know that Jesus takes away our sin, and in Him there is no sin, thus SINLESSNESS. Those are sins of lawlessness against the Ten Commandments. Sins of lawlessness are sins unto death. This happens when Jesus gives us His Spirit of Christ to dwell within us right from the...

Perfection is a long way from sinlessness. But you twist my words, and really can't understand what Jesus said about Him taking away our sin, and in Him (abiding) there is no sin.

You do.