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Actually you are confusing tenses here. It doesn't say...will you be...but are you in. So then the promise of being in Christ is only in the future for they who have not yet done so. But IN Jesus (right now) is redemption and sanctification. Are you saying that you haven't yet been redeemed?

Grace is a gift...not earned. Sanctification is indeed by grace as a gift. Jesus IS our sanctification...not BECOMES our sanctification. Jesus IS our wisdom and knowledge. But once we have received the gift...we have to learn to STAY in that. To not be enticed away through desires or...

"Most church members live so far below the standard; you’d have to backslide to be in fellowship. We are so subnormal that if we were to become normal, people would think we were abnormal." Vance Havner

Really? How many Israelites believed the Red sea parted? All of them! Yet they mostly all perished in the wilderness because of unbelief. That is the way with mankind. You can lead people to the truth...but you can't make them believe. And so it is with the spiritual walk.

Do people here believe in the resurrection power of Christ or not? That is the issue here. Can we abide in Christ and walk as He walked or not? Are we always slaves to sin or not?

Unbelief?

How would you know? Do you have all understanding? Or do you just claim to know all things? And why side with unbelief and be so certain in that?

For perspective I have said that we go in and out of holiness...in and out of abiding in Christ. Paul had not yet attained a full time maturity in the perfected walk. But he also says...among they who are perfect...etc. So as with all things biblical to see only one side of a truth shows a...

That is a highly unqualified statement based on unbelief. We are to be perfect as the Father is perfect. To do so we must enter into Christ. But this is by faith....not by the kind of incredulity you are exhibiting. It is no wonder you have not tasted of His holiness yet. 1 Thess. 5:23 And the...

The issue is this...how do you know if someone is fully sanctified or not? Judging by what or how? Does a sanctified person make a show of it? Of course not! Do people honour what is best in others? Of course not. Neither do they know all about others. People don't discern spiritual things...

Do you believe that perfection is in Christ? If so then ask God to cause you to enter INTO Him. In Him is NO sin. They who abide in Him do not sin. We have not because we ask not. Or we ask amiss.

Actually it is the goat that was sacrificed...the one that is "to the Lord"....THAT one typifies Christ. The scapegoat represents Israel that doesn't sacrifice itself for God but lives for itself. These are cast away into an eternal wandering in outer darkness. We see the same type of...

Entering into Jesus brings us freedom from sin. The word for remission in the bible is actually akin to remission in cancer....as in your cancer is in remission. Basically cancer free. So then the Greek word "aphesis" is better translated as "freedom." When we actually know the truth...or...

In your religious witch hunting mindset you ignore the purpose of the thread and that CL posted the title as a tongue in cheek statement. So in your usual hateful way...you are actually agreeing with CL...even though your pride would stop you from ever doing that knowingly. Way to go CL!

Amen. There is knowing about the truth and actually knowing (experiencing) the truth. Only the second one sets you free. And the best defense of the truth is the practice of it. What we find mostly on forums are theorists. They have adopted a pre-packaged ideology based on some bible verses that...

Humility only makes sense to the righteous. The same goes for the fear of the Lord. You need to start there.

This makes no sense....and is vague since there is no real understanding here. We become mature IN His perfection...or else we are just becoming more obedient over time. So we can improve but never be perfect of ourselves. perfection is instantaneous by entering into Christ. Remaining in THAT...

No, that is what entering into Christ does. It's funny how so many people get their tenses wrong. What IS in the future is denoting what salvation or not people will have been given.

We are speaking of perfection and remaining pure from sin. Walking as Jesus walked. So you are way off here. Just ask people who have been believers for 70 or 80 years and ask them if we grow into perfection or not. Salvation is by grace through faith...not of works lest any man should boast...

No, that's the law of God. Direct from His hand. The law of Moses was based on a temple holiness...an outer holiness. Being in Christ means a true holiness that makes the old kind obsolete. The law of Moses is but a shadow of the real holiness.