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  1. Wrangler

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I know that this question was directed at Aunty Jane but I have some insight you might find helpful. The Bible is a highly figurative book. So, there is a lot of symbolism to what is presented. Think of the elements of the sacraments: bread, wine, water. One of the amazing things about the New...
  2. Wrangler

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    That's why I put him on ignore a long time ago.
  3. Wrangler

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    No. It's not Biblical that Jesus has 2 natures. If you read into the text (eisegesis), you can make up anything you want, e.g., it says X and that means Y. However, creative interpretation, speculative interpretation is not explicitly Biblical. Let me provide an example. Suppose there was an...
  4. Wrangler

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    So odd how trinitarians just presume a nature contrary to what Scripture says. Just presume he has 2 natures.
  5. Wrangler

    God Made Jesus, born of the Flesh and Spirit, whom was the Word of God.

    Reading comprehension. Fact is ‘temple’ is figurative. Fact is ‘will do’ is future. Fact is ‘did is past tense.
  6. Wrangler

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Astounding logic! Circular Reasoning, imply a premise that is the conclusion you are trying to support. Paul performed miracles, how could he not be God?
  7. Wrangler

    God Made Jesus, born of the Flesh and Spirit, whom was the Word of God.

    IDOLATRY. A trinitarian told me John 1:1 is the best evidence for Jesus being God. I agree, it is the best evidence and still does not support the trinity at all because Jesus is not the word. Rather, the word of God was put in his mouth. This explains why Jesus said at John 12:49-50 (NLT) 49 I...
  8. Wrangler

    God Made Jesus, born of the Flesh and Spirit, whom was the Word of God.

    Willful ignorance! Jesus is the son of God. Son's are created beings, by definition. Yes but the word was not Jesus! God put his words into Jesus mouth. Having God's words in your mouth does not make you God.
  9. Wrangler

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Well Mr Trinny, in Trinityland everything bends, stretches or compresses to support the IDOL like in a Dr. Seus book. There's always reliance on dualism and mysticism when we otherwise cannot explain things. Saying things like, well, that was his human half. That's supposed to answer such...
  10. Wrangler

    Hypostatic Dilemma - Do you have one?

    There is no contradiction. Other prophets raised people from the dead and performed other miracles. Trinitarians falsely associate the performance of miracles to Christ when they ought to be attributed to his God. All glory to God and not to his servant. Did Moses part the Red Sea or did God? I...
  11. Wrangler

    God Made Jesus, born of the Flesh and Spirit, whom was the Word of God.

    Right, he will do, not did do! You cannot grasp how this does not refute what I said. Speaking figuratively of a temple, he says he will raise it up. This is NOT the same as him speaking literally, that he actually in the past did raise himself. Therefore, my statement stands correct.
  12. Wrangler

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    False Alternative. Why does indwelling require one to be God? Your implied premise is hereby rejected! The answer to your question is simple; agency. Through Christ’s baptism, God’s Spirit dwelled in Jesus, who in him, through him, in the unity of God’s Spirit, dwells in us. How? By God’s...
  13. Wrangler

    Hypostatic Dilemma - Do you have one?

    Why does the complete absence of trinitarian dogma from Scripture, coupled with contradicting explicit and repeated verses (like, the Father is the only God), not cause trinitarians to question the validity of their beliefs?
  14. Wrangler

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    It’s real but the pivot point is between literal or figurative.
  15. Wrangler

    Hypostatic Dilemma - Do you have one?

    What verse teaches the hypostatic union?
  16. Wrangler

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    The word is not Jesus. That’s what you refuse to grasp. God’s word was put in the mouth of one of the Israeli people. Having God’s word in our mouth is figurative and does not make one God.
  17. Wrangler

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Neither be of you are serious Bible students, reverting to childishness when you cannot defend your IDOL. Born again is literal? The word of God is literally God? Bread and wine literally turn into the body of a 1st century Jewish man? That we are to literally embrace cannibalism? Men are...
  18. Wrangler

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I agree with the implications you draw from Matthew 28:8. To reinforce that conclusion is explicit Scripture on point. 1 Cor 15:27 For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.”[a] (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God...
  19. Wrangler

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Again, I don’t think the failure to discern God’s word correctly between figurative and literal revolves around ability but IDOLATRY. They must resort to mystical dualism because the trinity is not in the Bible. It’s a simple fact that they cannot admit, which is why they retreat to semantic...
  20. Wrangler

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    A common theme among trinitarians, improper discernment of God’s words; confusing the figurative with literal.