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It isn't that they could be fooled into thinking that a global cosmic event had already come. They weren't stupid. That would be quite obvious. What Paul was warning them about was not to believe anyone saying that the day of the Lord did not involve a global cosmic event and involved something...

Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this...

Let me just stop you right there. What are "unsaved nations"? It says that the "nations" number as the sand of the sea, so it's obviously talking about individuals, not nations. The Greek word that is normally poorly translated as "nations" in that verse, which is "ethnos", can also mean...

That looks like something an immature little child would say. Is that what I said? Not at all! I'm amazed at how terrible your reading comprehension skills are in this thread. I'm not saying that none of them were ever right about anything. I'm saying they were very wrong about some things, so...

Yes, it absolutely does mean that. You know nothing about seeing the context of scripture. To deny that it's talking about the material elements is like denying that it's talking about the literal heavens and earth. But, you don't do that, do you? Nonsense. Nowhere does scripture ever speak of...

If I was you and was bent on being a preterist no matter what, I would ignore the context of 2 Thess 2 overall that is established in the first verse and not want to talk about that, either.

Yes, they are. I guess Revelation 20:15 and Revelation 21:8 are not in your Bible then because those verses refer to the same thing as Revelation 22:15. LOL. That passage is not talking about spiritually dead people. Come on. That is referring to physically dead people. It's describing the...

You can't make it as if you are quoting scripture and then change what the scripture actually says. How can you not understand that? If you're going to indicate how you understand the verse rather than actually quoting the text of the verse, then make that clear. That's not even my point! Are...

That's not an excuse for changing the text of scripture. You presented the verse as if that is how it is written in scripture. You quoted the other two verses as they are written in scripture, but not Zechariah 14:9. This kind of dishonesty is unacceptable.

No, your ridiculous comment misrepresented what I said. I did not misrepresent what you said. But, go ahead and act like a child if you insist. You should be better than that.

LOL. But, you won't take the false doctrines that many of them taught.

Translation: You have no interest in considering any other view than the one your heroes held. The same people who you know were very wrong about other things. Somehow, in your mind, a reference to the unrestrained "working of Satan" can't possibly relate to the loosing of Satan during his...

Is that what I said or implied? Obviously not. So, why make a ridiculous comment like this? What purpose does it serve? This discussion has obviously reached its end at this point.

You may have noticed from other discussions I've had with others here that I'm not shy about taking part in that debate, but I don't think I feel like doing that in this thread at this time. They believed in their own version of what they thought the Messiah would be like, which was nothing...

I've already addressed this multiple times and you just ask the same question again. If you don't agree with my explanation, so be it. But, why ask this question as if I haven't already addressed it? Also, my main evidence in favor of my view is that the day of the Lord, which refers to the day...

Why are you changing the text of this verse? We can all just immediately dismiss your entire post because you are resorting to changing the text of scripture to try to make it fit your doctrine. With your dishonest, blatant changing of the text, you show that you have no credibility and can't be...

Yeah, no kidding. But, so what? Where does 2 Thessalonians 2 say anything about the man of sin killing believers for protesting against him?

I wasn't saying that in regard to those quotes, but in regard to how I interpret the passage. It's time to just agree to disagree. Nothing else to add at this point, unless you'd like to explain your understanding of Satan's little season to me in terms of what you think things are like during...

Don't you think that falling away (apostasy) relates to people who have faith at one point, but then later decide they no longer believe and fall away? That's not what John is describing in 1 John 2:18-19. He is describing people who never had faith in the first place and they then left John's...

I'll assume that you'll answer my question about whether you think 2 Thessalonians 2 is related to Satan's little season or not, so I'll just go ahead and answer your question now. To me, the reference to "the man of sin" is a general reference to sinful mankind working their way amongst the...