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Well you wrote Jesus is the atonement of the sins of the world. Atonement and propitiation are not synonymous and atonement means Jesus transferred ones sin to Himself and transferred His righteousness to them. So you declared Jesus atoned for everyones sins, so I needed to ask.

BTW still waiting for you to list which of the 613 Mosaic Laws you abrogate to hold fast to your traditions.

So the devil was tempting Paul to keep him humble because of all he saw in heaven? Tempting him with concupiscence for the purpose of Satan keeping Paul humble??

Lots of dirty kitty litter. :jest:

YOu say that only because you do not know what atonement means

All mankind is destined to be lost. That is the result of the fall and making all of Adams offspring children of wrath by nature. 12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13 (For until the law sin...

So do you eat pork to abrogate gods words? Go through all 613 MOsaic laws (THAT THE TEN ARE PART OF) ANSD WRITE DOWN WHICH ONES YOU ABROGATE TO KEEP YOUR TRADITIONS. I showed the verses that clearly say that teh Sabbath and circumcision are for Israelites alone as the sign of 2 covenantsa god...

So who sent the messenger of Satan to Paul? It doesn't say to tempt him but to buffet him. But in your scenario as you call this infirmity his carnal desires, who sent the messenger to keep him humble?????? I agree that God does not tempt man, but if this infirmity is a heightened carnal...

Are you pretending to read my mind and say I do not wish others to be saved...

So you do not know Scripture and are just spitballing then. Ok! Saturday Sabbath goes back millenia. Which holocaust began in the mid forties to fifites and who is this mystery pope. I don't have a pope, but then again making false accusations has never stopped you from vomiting ad-hominems...

2 Corinthians 12 King James Version 12 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. 2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an...

That is their problem before god. And what heresies and the biblical evidence did he hold to? You and behold and many others love flinging out accusations against brethren, but are woefully lacking in that pesky stuff called evicence. That is called sin.

So are you a universalist then?

So you believe babies if they die go straight to heaven? HIndu babies? Muslim babies? babies of voodoo parents? Scripture please? So I do not misunderstand you. Are you saying all babies if they die before they commit a sin, go straight to heaven? And if they live past committing that...

Deuteronomy 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy...

By you posting this, you profane the very integrity and fame of this great man of God!

No He commanded Israel to keep it holy as a sign of the covenant He made with the ethnos of Israel- the twelve tribes of Jacob. There is no command to keep Saturday a work free day for the church. Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall...

I agree with you. and those who wish to keep Sabbath are also forbidden to judge those who honor every day or sunday or Tuesday!

Well how do you know he wasn't? Either it is the inspired Word of God or not! The same doubt you give to Paul could be given to the "words" of Jesus in the biblew. How od you know they were recorded and passed on accurately?

Never said they are required for salvation. They never were. They are just acts done because God made ETERNAL Covenants with Israel that involve circumcision and Sabbath Keeping.