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"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink." Matthew 5 33“Again, you have heard that [z]the ancients were told, ‘[aa]YOU SHALL NOT [ab]MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR [ac]VOWS TO THE LORD.’ 34But I say to you, take no oath at all, neither by heaven, for it is the throne...

Where in Scripture do you find any of that? Not necessarily, no. Did Jesus defend His treasure-box from Judas the thief?

It is very difficult for me to get off this site, but I had better head to sleep. Good night.

Also, more accurately, Jews are no longer "under Law"--Gentiles never were "under Law"--when they believe, because death (the death they die with Christ) exempts them from their obligation to serve via the Torah Romans 7:1-6. This doctrine of Paul's he shared in common with other Pharisees--it...

All right. My mistake. I understand where you're coming from. This criticism of Israel tends to confuse me as it seems their response was pleasing. Depending on the Church, sure--in one (in Miami), the guy claims to be Christ, and has his congregants get a "666" tattoo, and say sinning...

It will be up to them to decide whether that is the discussion they want to have here--or they may direct you to a more appropriate thread. Hope your discussion with them goes well (glorifies God). Thanks for understanding.

That may be discussed on an appropriate thread. Here is one I authored. Please address @theefaith on that as they were the one who raised it.

Thanks for discussion. I should probably rest. Just had dialysis.

@Amazed@grace It's not that I'm going to hate you if you disagree... but I do believe I am parsing God's Word accurately on this issue. Why don't you see barbarian disciples hacking at unbelievers in the New Testament? Or laws for warfare? Because that would be Islam--wrong religion! LOL!

@Amazed@grace Did He repudiate Torah commands? Read all of the "you have heard it said... but I say" statements in Matthew 5. Also Matthew 19 on divorce for the explanation behind it all. You're welcome. Why was Peter armed? Irrelevant--he was not obeying Christ by striking people which is how...

The thread was authored by a Roman Catholic with the intention of assailing the "Protestant" view of Scripture (by which Catholicism's "authoritative" "holy tradition" is rejected). That is the topic of discussion. I was defending my view, and assailing their view. They responded "Luther...

We are called "sheep led to the slaughter". "Judge a tree by its fruits" : We know how they didn't interpret that because they all were martyred and offered no resistance. The whole reason why Paul even said "minister of God" was because that fact would not have been apparent : these were not...

"Works of law" was just a term Jews used to describe the good works the Law commanded. Those born of God are not under Law but under Grace Romans 6:14 and fulfill the righteous requirement of the Law Romans 2:13-15, Romans 2:26-27, Romans 8:3-4. That's what this whole discussion is...

Didn't I say we are to obey God rather than Government if they tell us "sin"? I think you must be misinterpreting that verse--did Jesus "give way" by obeying God and dying? Context was a condemnation of immorality. 1. That was an earthly Theocratic government. We don't live in that type of...

They're called Preterists.

1. "Soon" is relative. With God, 1,000 years is as a single day according to Scripture. 2. Some interpret that literally, believing it referred to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

1. For clarification, the point of Christianity isn't just "go die". 2. You are criticizing the Apostles as "mistaken" for having been martyred? Yeah, you've got nothing to say to me on this.

Imagine how much more we would glorify God if we would trust Him instead of "relying on our own understanding". "We'd have nothing" : better than gaining the world and losing our souls.

We obey God. God : "Submit to Government--unless they say to sin." "...how difficult is that concept for you to understand?"

Recall that this was in contradistinction to His having previously sent them to Israel "alone", and "not the way of the Gentiles", but that He was now going to be sending them into "all the nations" (Gentiles). For what? To "make disciples"--preach the Gospel. Maybe they needed to hack brambles...