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And BOTH... show a pre-trib rapture, simply because you have the rapture prior to the "day of the Lord". The "day of the Lord" is when Jesus comes to gather His Church, and not at any time before.

It's not ME... that is not communicating clearly. It is YOU that is lacking in your Bible study which is why you've not understood that The New Testament gives the Church warnings against being deceived. So don't try to correct me for your lack of Bible understanding. Mark 13:5 5 And Jesus...

No it didn't, simply because in Mark 13 in Christ's Olivet discourse He foretold how at the end some of us will be delivered up to give a Testimony for Him, and not premeditate what we will say in that 'hour', but speak what The Holy Spirit gives us to speak. That event Jesus included in His...

Lot of folks that are Post-trib believe that too though. So I don't see that as a valid point to support a pre-trib rapture theory. That's what it actually is per what the "vile person" of Daniel 11 does, calling it the "holy covenant". That is what supports the placing of the "abomination that...

Now you are just making up more... LIES. I have never... said anyone is going to perish at the "lake of fire". So go find evidence you white-washed wall. As for the idea of "another spirit", that is not a condemnation to the "lake of fire". Haven't you ever read when Jesus told Peter He would...

There is no Bible Scripture support for a pre-trib rapture theory, and that... is why you refuse the challenge to show Bible Scripture to support it. At least you didn't do the cop out that others here have done by my challenge, with just posting their slogans and opinions and absolutely NO...

Davy said: "Those verses were NOT simply just for Jews, as Jesus was speaking to the early foundation of His Church, i.e., His Apostles (Ephesians 2:19-22)." UH…the Early Church WERE the Jews. The 12 Apostles WERE the Jews. The Apostles WERE SENT to Preach to the Jews. The EARLY CHURCH (was...

That's true, all Scripture is given by inspiration of God. That's what that verse is about. But it does not prove a pre-trib rapture theory. Yep, so where's the Bible Scripture to support a pre-trib rapture? Your own ideas are not enough, nor by some preacher. It has to be written in God's Word...

You don't read well. I said that about that about your attempt to push the Jewish wedding as a model for a pre-trib rapture. That's not relevant to you supplying actual Bible Scripture to support your pre-trib rapture theory. Using the Jewish wedding is nothing but an analogy, not Scripture...

It's just that some Dispensationalist churches try to claim that only Paul's Epistles are for the Church, which is not true. Darby in 1830s Britain who first preached the false pre-trib rapture is one of those who tried to separate the Gospel into two separate gospels, just because he pushed the...

If that were true, then you would never... have considered man's pre-trib rapture theory being possible. Thing is, Jesus said He will raise His on the "last day" per John 6:40. His gathering of the Church still alive on earth happens at that same time of that resurrection. So that is not a...

See there in bold, you did it again, with "So Peter's coming to that conclusion from the vision referenced in Acts 10 rather than from Christ's own words...". Per the vision shown Peter in Acts 10, that vision and declaration WAS DIRECTLY CHRIST SPEAKING TO PETER.

Nah, not so fast. Show Scripture proof that the pre-trib rapture is written in God's Word. I challenge you.

That's only what certain men you listen to have lied to you. Those verses were NOT simply just for Jews, as Jesus was speaking to the early foundation of His Church, i.e., His Apostles (Ephesians 2:19-22). Those Matthew 24:31 and Mark 13:27 verses are the SAME events which Apostle Paul taught...

The tradition from men you appear to be pushing is HyperDispensationalism. From Wikipedia: "Hyperdispensationalists are not monolithic nor homogenous. There are two main positions: Acts 9 and Acts 13. Both see the dispensation of Grace, which is the church age, as beginning with the Apostle...

So you don't realize that claiming a pre-trib rapture being possible is actually in opposition to what Lord Jesus taught? Matt 24:29-31 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven...

That's mostly ideas from men's doctrines. Apostle Peter is shown having understood that Salvation was also to the believing Gentiles per the vision of unclean animals which God showed him in Acts 10. Let's see what The Word of God actually says... Acts 10:10-18 10 And he became very hungry...

Now why would you flat tell a lie like that? you have yet to walk anyone... through Bible Scripture that proves the false pre-trib rapture theory. Nor can you, without first 'changing' what the Scriptures actually teach, as written. There is NO Bible Scripture that supports a gathering of the...

Maybe you ought to back up and read what you've said, that flesh entered Paradise with Enoch, and Elijah. If you had understood Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 you would have known flesh and blood cannot enter into the Heavenly. This is why Christ's Apostles saw Jesus' flesh body being...

Why don't you learn to stick to what God's Word says instead of trying to create strife and arguments against it?