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  1. quietthinker

    The Hell Doctrine - No doctrinal unity

    I've never seen draught horses on a race track and race horses pulling a plough is probably not a possibility.
  2. quietthinker

    DECONSTRUCTION - How far is too far?

    Having well loved and entrenched views placed on shaky ground in our own selves (understanding) is never easy. It requires a rethink of what we deem our foundation and how we understand it. It requires giving others plenty of rope as it does giving ourselves rope. In the meantime, I will feed...
  3. quietthinker

    DECONSTRUCTION - How far is too far?

    Truth either exonerates or condemns us. It doesn't matter who speaks it. Does that answer your question? Do we assume the accuser (Satan) will only use lies to accuse? Could it be possible that his accusations are right on the money? If I assume my premise is unflawed about 'judgement' will I...
  4. quietthinker

    DECONSTRUCTION - How far is too far?

    here is my quote :) or rather is it a reiterated question? Ah yes, 'who is responsible for judgement?' .....and this is not to skirt your question, because I believe it's valid, but to flesh it out. Consider a court case, who is it that initiates it? the one presiding (the Judge) or the...
  5. quietthinker

    DECONSTRUCTION - How far is too far?

    ahhhhh, 'Universalism', what an opaque word! Just as Elijah had a twisted rationale after the spectacular performance on Mt Carmel, could we too have a twisted rationale when we hear the word 'Universalism' Was Elijah ever wrong? If so, where was the error? When we hear the word...
  6. quietthinker

    DECONSTRUCTION - How far is too far?

    further.....and what did John and James use as their justification to wanting to fry their enemies? Elijah! yup, the scriptures. This tells us something about Elijah. He too considered himself chosen. He stood boldly up against King Ahab and Israel and presented his challenge....and God...
  7. quietthinker

    DECONSTRUCTION - How far is too far?

    John and James, yup, the ones privileged to see Jesus transfigured, were keen to incinerate the Samaritans a little while later because they were slighted. Luke 9:51-54 What a lesson for us. Do we consider ourselves having privileged information? Do we want to 'incinerate our enemies' because...
  8. quietthinker

    heal my heart

    Just don't push away the healing he wants to deliver because you don't recognise it MD
  9. quietthinker

    I think I finally lost my faith

    I've yet to see someone do that. It's probably akin to a drowning man saving himself.....and if he didn't, he just didn't try hard enough? No my dear, that's why we have a Saviour; it's because we can't do it ourselves! We need a Saviour and we need to let him save us; not fight tooth and nail...
  10. quietthinker

    DECONSTRUCTION - How far is too far?

    Oh dear F2F, respectfully, if you haven't worked that out while interacting and in the present how will you work out that which was recorded in a previous millennium from a different culture and language?
  11. quietthinker

    I think I finally lost my faith

    Whatever you think about God does not change the way he thinks and feels about you. You can do your darnedest, even kill him and he will not stop loving you......the crucification is evidence of that. So, hang in there and ask for clarity, for direction but don't expect it to fit your wonky...
  12. quietthinker

    DECONSTRUCTION - How far is too far?

    I think we all want to understand God's perspective. No doubt, paying close attention is required.....without it, we miss it and hear what is not being communicated.
  13. quietthinker

    What is New Testament Holiness?

    A few (6-12) of us (believers in Jesus) around the world get together and talk about these things; Perhaps you would be interested in joining us on zoom? For North Americans the time is Monday evening 6.30pm mountain standard time and the zoom link is 403 506 9201. Please come, you are welcome.
  14. quietthinker

    DECONSTRUCTION - How far is too far?

    The Jews also thought Paul's perspective was strange :) They also thought a dead Messiah didn't add up......anyway, we believe that Jesus died for sinners (humanity) Was he not also resurrected for humanity? We killed him, God raised him from the dead. God did something in Jesus unprecedented...
  15. quietthinker

    What is New Testament Holiness?

    That's unfortunate Matthew.....very unfortunate.
  16. quietthinker

    DECONSTRUCTION - How far is too far?

    I think you are too close to the trees marks. Paul is standing back and drawing a parallel of sorts with Adam and Jesus. In Adam all are lost, In Jesus all are a new creation. This is not a subjective perspective. He is not talking about our personal experience. He is talking about how God views...
  17. quietthinker

    What is New Testament Holiness?

    Matthew, didn't you just say the above? so why run when a challenge is put to you?
  18. quietthinker

    DECONSTRUCTION - How far is too far?

    'In Christ' in the context Paul is referring, is as being representative of the human race, just as Adam was.
  19. quietthinker

    What is New Testament Holiness?

    The confusion is not mine Matthew. The topic I'm trying to address is our understanding of what God's Wrath is......and not to be condescending but I need to ask, do you understand the question?