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  1. Eternally Grateful

    The social gospel?

    God demanded a penalty for sin Gods love found a way. The cross. I will go On the record to say if God did not die for us. He hated us. But then again he could have if he wanted. He did not have to come and die. But his death proved how much he loved us Why do you mock his death so much then...
  2. Eternally Grateful

    The social gospel?

    Once again, Why do you do this. You’re the one trying to justify yourself. Not us. I would say the same to you.. But it will not help in the conversation. So would just say lets show some humility
  3. Eternally Grateful

    The social gospel?

    when you do not think you are in need of repentance or forgiveness that is what happens. its why the pharisees sent christ to the cross. He called out there sin also. As jesus said, he came to call the sinner to repentance, the righteous (those who think they are righteous) does not need him...
  4. Eternally Grateful

    The social gospel?

    But you do not state the truth 1. You state the cross is not about forgiveness (blasphemy) 2. You state the power of sin, not the penalty of sin, is defeated at the cross (blasphemy) 3. You say jesus did not die to cover (redeem or atone) us from our sin, but to kill it. (But in your own words...
  5. Eternally Grateful

    The social gospel?

    Yes like so many caught under the problem of legalism, they make justification dependent on sanctification. if we are good enough, have no sin, or walk like Jesus, we are justified. if not, we are not justified. it puts all the focus on self. And totally removes the focus off God and the...
  6. Eternally Grateful

    The social gospel?

    He has been like this since I first met him years ago But what about the penalty of death? In a court of law. The offender who is guilty has to pay his debt In the court of the heavenly law. All have sinned and fall short of the glory. No one has kept the law. Which was to prove to us our sin...
  7. Eternally Grateful

    The social gospel?

    No. You have people saved while still under the penalty of sin, because yu reject substitution and forgiveness. You can’t take it back now.. if has been exposed Grace is Gods mercy at Christ’s expense. God does not just set aside the penalty of sin and say its ok, I forgive you. With out...
  8. Eternally Grateful

    The social gospel?

    Again @Nancy I think this about explains it all..
  9. Eternally Grateful

    The social gospel?

    You have people saved in sin, You have them saved while still under the penalty of sin. You can’t be holy while still under the penalty of sin. Blinders? He tacked the penalty of sin. So he could restore us to him, And in doing so removed the power of sin. If yur sin is not covered, Your...
  10. Eternally Grateful

    The social gospel?

    There you go @Nancy to him it is a ploy to make Jesus death about forgiveness, You also see the other thing that irritates people. His attitude. In the first post. He mocked us all by saying he is the teacher!! (He is the know it all that is going to school us all) Now he is claiming us to be...
  11. Eternally Grateful

    The social gospel?

    How much more clear can it get @Nancy I have known Epi for many years across many chatrooms, and his message is always the same. The cross is not about forgiveness. It is about making us so we can walk like christ. (Sinless) so he does nto have to forgive us. Epi says a lot of things that are...
  12. Eternally Grateful

    Apologetics about Substitutionary Atonement

    You still have not answered the question. What was the purpose of the cross.. When John the baptist called Jesus the lamb of God who takes the sin of the world You keep saying there is nothign that says it, Yet people have shown you the opposite. If your not willing to answer my question, i...
  13. Eternally Grateful

    the Olivet Discourse understood

    How does he do this? He said, when you see these things, the end is not yet. They did not see them in his day.. they have not been set yet even till this day But he is talking about events. Not symbols.. When you see things things happen. But the end is not yet. It is the begining of sorrows...
  14. Eternally Grateful

    Apologetics about Substitutionary Atonement

    yet according to the law. He did require it
  15. Eternally Grateful

    Apologetics about Substitutionary Atonement

    Sorry But a contrite hart will not pay for your sins again, Why did jesus go to the cross? Can you please answer
  16. Eternally Grateful

    Apologetics about Substitutionary Atonement

    Again The prodigal son was a son. What makes us sons of God. Is everyone saved?
  17. Eternally Grateful

    Apologetics about Substitutionary Atonement

    your not answering the question God demands a payment for sin (the wage of sin is death) So how can God forgive sin Jesus went to the cross. What reason did he die? Th blood of atonement, what was this for? The examples you are using is we are to forgive our bothers. God forgave them so...
  18. Eternally Grateful

    Apologetics about Substitutionary Atonement

    God does not just forgive people His justice demands a payment for sin, Its why he sent his son
  19. Eternally Grateful

    Apologetics about Substitutionary Atonement

    Paul also understood the price of mercy. Its why jesus went to the cross.
  20. Eternally Grateful

    Apologetics about Substitutionary Atonement

    Well that is not what Paul said It would? How I am not sure really how this relates What? What did Jesus die for? Jesus was not a figure he was the thing the figure pointed to Why? Who pays for our sins god does not just throw out his judgment. Does he How can I sacrifice Myself enough...