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It doesn't bother me that Mary was highly favoured. She was. What bother me is the lie of the Roman church and you that Mary was sinless. Stranger

Mary couldn't be saved without Christ. Just like Abraham, Moses, and Isaiah. Just like Abraham, Moses, and Isaiah were sinners as Mary was also. In other words, your comparison doesn't work. Stranger

I am neither Nestorian or your friend. Nothing in Scripture declares Mary sinless. You develop a lie with 'kecharitomene' to make it appear so. Stranger

Pay attention. I didn't say Joseph didn't have a role in raising Jesus. I said Jesus was not adopted. He was born of Mary. Nothing Nestorian here. The heresy is your claim that Mary is sinless and the mother of God. Stranger

Pay attention. You were using Abraham, Moses, and Isaiah, as examples of salvation like unto Mary's. Which is a false comparison because you are saying Mary was sinless. Which is a lie. But you acknowledge that Abaraham, Moses, and Isaiah were sinners...I assume. Who knows what you may...

There is no contradiction. It was God's will that man should fall. Because of that He provided the way of salvation for all. Thus it is His will that all would come to Jesus Christ and not perish. But they don't. Nothing wrong with the will of God. Again, who cares what the atheist...

I don't care what the unbeliever doesn't believe. What he doesn't believe doesn't affect what I believe. And I am not worried about satisfying any atheists. You don't try and satisfy an atheist. You simply tell them what you know to be true. The argument that the fallen should not have...

Pay attention. We are talking about Mary and your claim that she is sinless. We are not talking about Joseph. Jesus was not adopted. Jesus the God/Man was born by Mary. Joseph just had to take a back seat. Stranger

Was Abraham, Moses, or Isaiah sinless? No. Yet that is what you are claiming for Mary. Thus the comparison is dishonest. See? Stranger

He fell down at the feet of God...Jesus. Stranger

Perfect. Couldn't get any clearer than that. Stranger

The fall was necessary because God wanted sons, those literally born of Him, and not just another another group of created beings such as angels. This was possible only through the death, burial, resurrection, of Jesus Christ and the imputation activity of God. (John 12:24) Stranger

The leper fell down at the feet of God. A clear declaration for the deity of Jesus Christ. Stranger

You simply reveal your own racism. You must be black. 'da racists'. Please. You want to impeach the racists yet you say nothing about racists in your post. Thus, 'da rascist' is just your ignorance of the English language, 'da', and your own racist rant. So, perhaps you should learn...

Mary would not have been the parent or mother of God. She would have been the parent of the God/Man. Whether adopted, which is stupid because He wasn't, or born, Mary is not the mother of God. Stranger

That is a stupid statement as Jesus was not adopted. And, if He was, she would have been the adopting parent of the God/Man. Not the parent of God. Stranger

Pay attention. You said Mary was saved before she fell, meaning she was sinless. Thus your comparison with Abraham, Moses, and Isaiah, is not only wrong, but dishonest. There are many ways to lie. Stranger

Exactly...not that difficult. Yes God existed before the virgin birth. Means Mary is not the mother of God. Yes the Son existed before the virgin birth. Means Mary is not the mother of the Son. No the Son did not exist as a Man before the virgin birth. Conclusion, Mary is the mother of...

Not sure what you are saying here. Stranger

That is not a contradiction. That is correct. I didn't say you said Mary created Him. You are wrong in saying Mary is the mother of God. She is not. Did God exist before the birth of Jesus? Did the Son exist before the birth of Jesus? Did the Son exist as a Man before the virgin...