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  1. David in NJ

    When will the "sudden destruction" from which "they will not escape" referenced in 1 Thess 5:2-3 occur and what is the scope of it?

    1 Thess 4:13-18 = "the dead in Christ Rise First" = Resurrection of the dead 1 Cor ch15 = Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not...
  2. David in NJ

    When will the "sudden destruction" from which "they will not escape" referenced in 1 Thess 5:2-3 occur and what is the scope of it?

    The First Resurrection at Christ's Coming is unto Immortal Glorified Bodies - After that is the Rapture for the Same 1 Thess 4:13-18 1 Cor ch15
  3. David in NJ

    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    Your response is typical and lacks any scriptural support. Your very first response is completely foolish and is wilful ignorance, for the LORD included ALL of His Elect in that prayer. John 17:9 - "I ask on their behalf. I do not ask on behalf of the world, but on behalf of those You have...
  4. David in NJ

    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    To your incorrect three points: 1.) Jesus prayed for the Disciples and ALL who would believe on Him - John 17:20-21 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also...
  5. David in NJ

    the 7th Trump

    Every Blood washed Saint receives Eternal Life thru the Lord Jesus Christ before we leave this earth. John 10:25-30 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. But you do not believe, because you are not of My...
  6. David in NJ

    the 7th Trump

    The Lord Jesus Christ said HE is the Way the Truth and the Life. As HE is the Way, HE says to us: "take up your cross and follow Me." If you take the time this week to read 1 Thessalonians you will see the Apostle Paul instructing them that tribulation, even unto death, is expected for us who...
  7. David in NJ

    the 7th Trump

    Another Brother in the Lord who i converse with via phone will take the opposing view of subject matter when we speak just so that, together, we can challenge any position on any given biblical subject matter. However, we finalize the discussion on what Scripture says = without adding our own...
  8. David in NJ

    the 7th Trump

    #1 - Notice that there is not a single reference to any type of pre-trib escape/rapture in your verses posted. #2 - 1 Thess 4:13-18 and 1 Cor ch15 firmly establish that ONLY at the Coming of Christ AND the Resurrection can the Rapture occur. #3 - NEVER a rapture before the Second Coming and...
  9. David in NJ

    the 7th Trump

    Well because it comes from you my Brother i will give you a 'thumbs up' even though the scriptures you post does not make a declaration of pre-trib.
  10. David in NJ

    the 7th Trump

    Yes Brother, but notice there are no trumpet calls in Rev ch20 Why? Because the Last Trumpet Call, which is the 7th, has already been established in: a.) Matthew ch24 b.) 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 c.) 1 Corinthians chapter 15 d.) Revelation 10:7 e.) Revelation 11:15 Once God establishes for us...
  11. David in NJ

    the 7th Trump

    So far, no one has been able to post a single passage of scripture that declares a 'pre-trib' rapture. At the Second Coming of Christ is the Resurrection followed immediately by the Rapture = 1 Thess 4:13-18 , 1 Cor ch15 , Heb 9:28 Tribulation is not God's Wrath as no Believer is exempt from...
  12. David in NJ

    the 7th Trump

    My post is specifically directed at the false doctrine of pre-trib rapture whereby they use Matthew 25:1-13 to validate there belief system.
  13. David in NJ

    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    Nope - Jesus was cut off AFTER the 69th week = please read carefully. Daniel 9:24 irrefutably validates this "Seventy weeks are decreed for your people and your holy city to stop their transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness...
  14. David in NJ

    the 7th Trump

    Christ will not leave one of His Elect behind. Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, for God has said: “Never will I leave you, never will I forsake you.” - Hebrews 13:5 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never...
  15. David in NJ

    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    Your pre-trib foundation is built on sand and not on Scripture. #1 - Messiah was cut-off in the 70th week = Daniel 9:24-26
  16. David in NJ

    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    You do not agree with the Prophet King Messiah Yashuah? You do not agree with His Prophecy? "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were...
  17. David in NJ

    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    If you are filled with the Holy Spirit of Truth you would be able to answer this, especially since i gave you the location of the answer = Gospel "But in your hearts sanctify Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give a defense to everyone who asks you the reason for the hope that is in you...
  18. David in NJ

    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    This is from the Apostle Paul and is accurate and pertains to what the Prophet said. This question currently remains unanswered from you...... When did Yashuah HaMoshiach, the Hebrew/Jewish Messiah of the seed of David and the Tribe of Judah, say that HE would restore the Jews of the flesh -...
  19. David in NJ

    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    This question currently remains unanswered from you...... When did Yashuah HaMoshiach, the Hebrew/Jewish Messiah of the seed of David and the Tribe of Judah, say that HE would restore the Jews of the flesh - corporately? Clue - the answer is found in the Gospel
  20. David in NJ

    LET'S SEE IF JESUS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE RAPTURE OR HIS SECOND COMING WHEN HE SAID, "NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR"

    Jesus made no reference to a rapture here.................get to know your Truth by submitting unto God. Every word of God is flawless; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. Proverbs 30:5-6