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BTW, I haven't forgotten what this thread was originally all about. The political hunger games of the evangelical right. Still interested in hearing people's thoughts on this and their biblical justification for it's existence.

Covered this? You certainly did. Obscured it entirely by omitting half the verse. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he , (the Father) saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a...

And the first few verses in Hebrews.

Good answer. So as scripture says, love is the fulfilling of the law right? Further question. Why is it that those who claim love as the ultimate Christian experience and practice, so often search diligently for reasons not to obey the 4th commandment? After all, there is no scriptural basis...

You speak a great deal about love, and rightly so. Love is absolutely the benchmark for the Christian disciple. All the heart, soul, mind, and body. Self sacrificial love is the true mind of Christ which we profess to have. Question. Does love therefore exclude obedience, or make obedience...

Most of the world worship themselves. There must be a reason for that. Have you considered that the reason why the aisles never spoke of Sunday worship either negatively or positively was because everyone observed the Sabbath? There's not even any record in scripture of the Pharisees and...

Yep, rationalizing. You said it yourself. Like Father like Son. But you and your church wants to make him out to be an angel. KJV Hebrews 1:8 8 But unto the Son he said, "your throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of your kingdom."

Thou shalt observe the Sabbath, on account of Him who ceased from His work of creation, but ceased not from His work of providence: it is a rest for meditation of the law, not for idleness of the hands." "The Anti-Nicene Fathers," Vol 7,p. 413. From "Constitutions of the Holy Apostles," a...

Seeing they disagreed with one another, which ones would you choose? Nonsense. The Catholic Church didn't become an institutional body until it became united to the state and relied on state power to advance it's dogmas. Prior to that the church in Rome was no more nor less important in stature...

You are making one huge presumption about what I believe. How do you perceive that I accept the trinity from what I wrote above? Believe what God says. That's belief. The Father sent His Son. Two distinct entities are described here. He didn't send a created being too become a son. Jesus was...

Forgiven.

I'm gagging on all that.

Which version of the 'trinity' do that 98% accept? From my observation on this board, a small microcosm it must be admitted, there are about 3 versions of the trinity, and as many versions of something else, all equally shared and divided among the members. In fact, I think if you asked each...

Aaah. At last you are beginning to see. Absolutely we need Jesus. In our own strength we can do nothing. But in Him, all things are possible. Even obedience to God's ten commandments. Although from your past posts it appears you don't believe this.

Have you ever read this... KJV Hebrews 5:9 9 And being made perfect, He (Jesus) became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him. What do you make of that in the context of the just shall live by faith?

That's God's business, not yours, or mine. Our work is to place ourselves in a position whereby God can accomplish that. Our work is to believe it's possible. Otherwise it will never happen. Remember, we are saved by faith... What we believe... Not by our performance. Do you believe it is...

I wasn't intimating you were Catholic. But your trust and reference to the ECFs is very Catholic, and in particular your claim that the bibles put together under Constantine's sponsorship is somehow a great historical signpost that requires our devotion to it's designers is also very Catholic...

On that premise then we can make anything up and claim... Jesus taught it but no-one wrote it down. Whoever of the Christian faith who began to set aside Sunday as a holy day I am sure did so having the best intentions. But they did not do so as a result of any instruction or example by the...

Who do you think gave Moses the tablets of stone on Sinai?

“Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed”...