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Again I am saying it would be obvious. And I agree in the early time period nothing that would fit the description of Pope could exist. And not only that there were Christian leaders.....but not any one man identified as a leader, making decisions that others followed.

You said the Church is indefectible.....do we see the word indefectible in these scriptures regarding the Church. Why the Jewish scriptures? Are we going to talk about a Jewish Pope or Church. And the Catholic Church is infallible! That is laughable if it was not so sad! The modern Catholic...

Of course I disagree. And I do not think it was a matter of Paul or Peter being in charge. Peter just messed up being a Cephas again. And all you have presented is folklore. You know what folklore is? It is stories that people like and they talk about it....and in this case it gave them...

Ha Ha as Tweedy bird said.....He don't know me real well...do he. Just for the fun of it, show me were the scriptures say that "the Church" is indefectible. Before you go to far down this road keep in mind we are disagreeing on Peter being a Pope....We Probably agree on a lot of other matters.

Paul didn't....explain. Galatians 2:11-21 But when Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him in public, because he was clearly wrong. 12 Before some men who had been sent by James arrived there, Peter had been eating with the Gentile believers. But after these men arrived, he drew back and would not...

You and I have both understand the term of endearment. Call him what you what....call him SuperPeter. But supremacy. Paul has supremacy after writing most to the New Testament. LOL

No I have brought you all the proof. I cannot copy history books into the forum and for sure it would not matter if I did......you want to live a fantasy about Peter. As I said it is either there or it is not and it is not there. No Pope for Peter in the Bible.....Great guy great contribution...

No it is all well documented history.....if you want to live in a fantasy world that is fine with me. And I do not argue reality....so have fun. No answer will make you happy unless it is fantasy. What I presented was not my opinion and I was not the source.....you have a whole world full of...

If you keep it simple it is not hard to understand. Either it is there or it is not there. Trying to make it there is where it get difficult. Some things are scriptural and some things are historical. Here while back I got on topic of wine and the Church. There are some Protestants that think...

Nose not out of joint.....not a rant.....Are you assuming that I was disagreeing with the Crusades'? To be precise I believe in The Apostles' Creed I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son Our Lord, Who was conceived by the Holy...

Well we can go over the wars and battles and conflicts and inquisitions and witch hunts....but I have been saying all along that it was not the bishops that suited up for battle. It was always the Empire or the Kingdoms that they were associated with. The Catholics would rule a group as heretics...

You do not know history much....right. You need to dive into that. Learn a little history about the changes Emperor Constantine made to the empire to accommodate Christianity and the wars it fought to protect them and the battles with the heretics....Bishops did not mount horses with swords to...

Does tons of history books count? Constantine was the Emperor of Rome.....Rome was the seat of the Roman Catholic Church. Without Constantine that Church had no power and no protection. As long as the Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire existed Emperors excised authority over the Catholic...

First off do not put me in the category of "critics of the Catholics." But you are saying a lot of things that are not true. for instance.... "In these main points the Catholic Church is today what she has always been." This is not true. The Modern Catholic Church is better than it has ever...

Wrong again. The false history is in the lapse of the Catholic Church, they have been trying to rewrite history for quite awhile. Again no Bishops riding out to enforce their doctrines. Rome killed people that tried to claim authority in the Roman Empire, only one authority was tolerated. The...

I guess I disagree with most of what you have written The Roman Catholic Church....Gee what does that mean? LOL Its present canon law requires that an ecumenical council be convoked and presided over, either personally or through a delegate, by the Pope, who is also to decide the agenda; but...

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." Land of the free....the...

LOL You are so funny. I understand how important it is to the Catholics to see Peter as the first official Pope.....Pope Peter. Sorry the term nor the office existed during Peter's life. Pope as a religious office does not occur until the 4th century. Pope Siricius being the first to occupy...

True about Antioch And was Cornelius a one time event due to circumstances or is this a hint to Christ's ministry in the background....I am on the side of He was running a secret ministry.....Some Christians do not like secrets.....But Christ was not concerned with them.....He would heal people...

Good history lesson. I agree with everything except.....This is who Protestants have chosen to follow instead of Christ’s Church, on whom He bestowed supreme earthly Authority (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23). There is a little more detail....important...