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hmmmm. I can see you choose to stick to the idea that 'Israel' consists only of a particular ethnicity. I am of the view that Salvation is for the seed of Adam.....not just the literal seed of Jacob......and I don't subscribe to the idea that there are different 'plans' for different people at...

thanks Pearl.....for your compliment. :)

Wake up Ronald!

Old Mate, the seed of Israel are God's people.....and who do we think are God's people? We gotta break out from an ethnically/ geographically bounded perspective......thats what Jesus and Paul's mission was.

I don't either!

I only wear high heels when I'm on stilts!

I probably wouldn't wear a hat anywhere :)

what has the sun coming up got to do with what we are talking about marks?

yes, I do.

yes, Jacob the deceiver became the man who strove with God and men and prevailed. This is the story of all of God's people. It is not the story of the physical nation of Israel. National Israel murdered their Messiah and disowned him and continue to disown him. The mantle has now fallen to all...

All peoples await a resurrection from the dead at their appointed times. The righteous to life when Jesus returns, the wicked after the millennium for judgement. If you would like scripture to support this, let me know.

do you understand why Jacob was renamed Israel?

You say this but do you really think that when Jesus told his parables he was expecting them to be understood as per the normal use of language?.....and his reference to eating his flesh and drinking his blood, is that to be understood as per the normal use of language? I'm sure you get my...

People and their practices cross culturally and not exclusive to each other. It is their attitudes across the religious divides which ultimately drives and remains the same.

Mark, there is so much to address here I am apprehensive to even begin an explanation. Why? because I can see you have your view fixed and I have no interest in submitting a presentation which has the likelihood of being dismissed at the front door. Now you can interpret my words in the...

whatever that is!

The term 'Israel' is not applied ethnically, it is applied to those who 'struggle with God and prevail' as in Jacobs encounter with his assailant. 'Twelve' is the number of 'all Israel'. Twelve by twelve is a literary device to make sure the point is gotten.....all the 'tribes' from all the...

well there yer go! Muslims take their shoes off before entering their mosque, that sounds pretty respectful, particularly for the cleaner. Maybe we could take that feather out of their cap? :)

The evidence is there Wrangler, you just don't see it.....and I wonder whether you would consider that possibility?

Ronald, this is the stuff the religious leaders in Jesus day made a big deal of. Can you think of other religious folk from any religion/ organisation who make a big deal of appearance and clothing? who have strict codes for what constitutes profane and what constitutes holy?.....and we can...