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Thank you for your earnest and thorough research in your recent replies, and to much of what you say I do agree. However, my stand is about the simple understanding, that the created angels of God were not "brought forth" from out of God, as was Jesus. In His situation, He is the ONLY one...

^ Cont'd: In light of your reference of NWT-John 1:1, I am aware that your quote: "and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god...", is extremely opposed to the KJV, saying: "the word was God". These two renditions, are the results of interpretatation from two different Greek Texts. NWT-...

Along the way of your discussion, you forgot that Jesus is God's only begotten Son, as not being created, but rather was "brought forth" (begotten) of/by the Spirit of God, who is and always will be "a spirit". Therefore, Jesus in His preincarnate state, was "a spirit" also, UNTIL He was SENT By...

Jesus said it Himself! John 8[23] And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. > IOWS, Jesus is NOT OF this creation! John 18[36] Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world [this creation]: if my kingdom were of this world...

Yes, if the term "firstborn" must be applied, then one must comprehend that Jesus' Being is is NOT a creation apart, separate or outside of God the Father, but rather Him being "brought forth- Begotten" out of and FROM the Father Himself. Jesus is the express image and manifestation of God the...

^ Cont'd: According to Ephesians 1:4, we through faith in Him, who are born again of/by His Holy Spirit (John 3:3-8 Luke 11:13 Romans 8:9) are chosen (whosoever will) to be in His kingdom with Him, through the plan of God, that was initiated BEFORE the creation of the world. John 3:16

Jesus, being the Begotten of God the Father, means The Father Himself brought Jesus forth FROM HIMSELF, being that which IS OF His Holy Spirit, and of no other source. Jesus was not created like that of an angel, a spirit which was a creation MADE BY the Spirit of God. Nor was Jesus origin...

So then, if Jesus was, as you quote: "Before Abraham, I have been", HOW was it that He has been, before Abraham came into existence?

KJV- John 8[58] Jesus said unto them, Verily,verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Very good point! The KJV speaks of the "flesh" of Christ in the present tense. Though He was born of "flesh and blood", in the likeness of our sinful flesh, and then shed His blood, He Resurrected into NEW Life, which IS now sustained not by blood, but rather by The Spirit of God. By that...

CORRECTION to the above post: Barney's reply: No! Today Jesus is a powerful spiritual being who is immortal and is incorruptible. The scriptures show that after Jesus was resurrected he changed into different bodies when to talked to his Apostles and disciples. The scriptures have this written...

Earburner's reply: No! Today Jesus is a powerful spiritual being who is immortal and is incorruptible. The scriptures show that after Jesus was resurrected he changed into different bodies when to talked to his Apostles and disciples. The scriptures have this written down. You want to deny the...

1. NO! HE loved man so much that He has PERMANENTLY taken on our form of "flesh and bone", which is "quickened" by the Spirit of God the Father, who "is a spirit". In that form of our being, but now Immortal, is what He will now ALWAYS BE. THAT IS the Sacrifice of both God the Father and His...

Barney Bright wrote: " In 1 Peter 3:18, 19 he says, according to The New English Bible of 1961: “For Christ also died for our sins once for all. He, the just, suffered for the unjust, to bring us to God. In the body he was put to death; in the spirit he was brought to life. And in the spirit he...

Hmmm...not so fast. There is also the truthful view! "Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission". The blood of Christ was poured out through His nailed hands and feet, until His heart quit pumping it, which brought about the death of His mortal body. IOWS, no blood transfusion or...

And the last time that you saw a dead friend placed in the grave, but then three days later, he walks up to you, and wants to have coffee,....was when? Our psyche is not likely to accept, nor is it willing to agree, that a dead friend is audibly talking to us in the flesh.

Rev. 12:14 time, times, and half a time- [14] And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. > Which means according to you: 52 and the...

So in your estimation, Jesus had no point or purpose to say what He did in Luke 24[39] Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. What was so interesting about His hands and feet? Like I said, you answered your...

Scott, from you perspective, maybe you can expound a little bit on Matthew 27:50-54.

On the cross Jesus shed His blood unto His death! Unless there was a blood transfusion and a resuscitation, NO WAY was His body of "flesh and blood" going to come back to His OLD mortal life! So then, HOW was He Resurrected to be not a spirit, but rather very visible as "flesh and bone"...