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  1. Phoneman777

    Soul sleep

    Hi nttl, I think Solomon disagrees with you: "Wherefore I praised the dead which are already dead more than the living which are yet alive. Yea, better is he than both they, which HATH NOT YET BEEN (existed), WHO HATH NOT SEEN THE EVIL work that is done under the sun." Ecclesiastes 4:2-3 KJV...
  2. Phoneman777

    Soul sleep

    1) Fact: Whatever the translation may be, the Greek of Hebrews 4:12 KJV is written as a Chiasm and says that the Spirit and Soul can be divided as surely as the Marrow and Joints can be. If even a blind man can see that a knee joint can't exist unless all the parts are there together, then why...
  3. Phoneman777

    Soul sleep

    How about you address the point I made? I'll make it again: 1) YOUR Bible says in Genesis 2:7 KJV that a Soul is created the moment the Spirit is combined with the Body, and to deny this is to deny self-evident truth. 2) Hebrews 4:12 KJVsays the Spirit can be separated from the Soul just as...
  4. Phoneman777

    Can you lose your salvation?

    Well said.
  5. Phoneman777

    Soul sleep

    PROOF THAT THE LIVING SOUL EXISTS ONLY AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THE UNION OF THE BODY AND THE SPIRIT: Hebrews 4:12 KJV is written in "Hebrew Chiastic Structure" - an example of Hebrew poetry where not words, but ideas are rhymed. Chiasms abound in Scripture and stand as a guard against...
  6. Phoneman777

    Can you lose your salvation?

    The penalty for which the Unjust Steward was forgiven was reinstated. Jesus said that separated branches are cast into the fire. These two passages of Scripture alone place the question beyond debate. God's love is unconditional, but His salvation isn't.
  7. Phoneman777

    Soul sleep

    I'm interested in what evidence you have to prove that "soul" wasn't properly used in 1611. IDK, but it seems to me at this point you're splitting hairs. I really don't see the diff between the words "living soul" or "living being" as a reference to the whole person, especially in Genesis 2:7...
  8. Phoneman777

    Soul sleep

    Not at all, because "destruction" carries with it the intrinsic characteristic of permanence, which is never associated with the First Death, hence the reason it is repeatedly referred to as "sleep" by Jesus, Job, Paul, etc. --- because God knows the First Death is temporary until the time when...
  9. Phoneman777

    "Hell doesn't last forever"..God is merciful

    Well said. Why do others insist on investing our Wonderful Savior God with attributes of a sadistic, tyrannical, psychopath - such attributes that best describe the devil, and why do they not see that it is the DEVIL who is ultimately behind this campaign to invest Him with such?
  10. Phoneman777

    "Hell doesn't last forever"..God is merciful

    Sorry to hear about your appliance troubles. Hope you get it fixed on the cheap. That said, it's really a silly analogy. Is an oven that can't execute all the necessary operations of an oven really an oven or just a pile of useless, dead refuse? Here's a BETTER analogy, but one which agrees...
  11. Phoneman777

    Soul sleep

    Sorry, Oz, but the Bible disagrees. The Living Soul is the product of the union of the Body and the Breath of Life/Spirit, and NOWHERE are the Spirit and the Soul used interchangeably. Rachel's "soul" was departing, but from what to what? From existence to non-existence, not from the physical...
  12. Phoneman777

    Soul sleep

    I disagree. There are very good reasons for why the NIV is referred to as the "Non-Inspired Version".
  13. Phoneman777

    Soul sleep

    BTW, friend, when the Bible speaks of "spiritual death", it puts it in the present tense: "She that liveth in pleasure IS dead while she liveth." (1 Timothy 5:6 KJV). However, when the Lord speaks of death of the Living Soul: "All souls are Mine...the soul that sinneth SHALL die" (Ezekiel...
  14. Phoneman777

    Soul sleep

    The devil said the same thing in Eden. "Ye shall not surely die." In other words, "Oh, you'll die alright Eve, but not surely...you'll keep right on living after you've died." People think the scariest place to be in town at midnight is the cemetery. Why? We know those dead people are...
  15. Phoneman777

    Soul sleep

    This statement doesn't break with Scripture - it is plainly taught implicitly in Scripture by the totality of the testimony of what the Bible says about the formation of the Living Soul and what happens when human souls die. The Bible is clear that the Living Soul comes into existence by the...
  16. Phoneman777

    "Hell doesn't last forever"..God is merciful

    I'm an Annihilationist. I believe, as the Bible teaches, that death is the opposite of life - the cessation and negation of life - not a continuation of it in some state of fearful, wretched existence. If the wicked are cast alive into eternal torment and remain their tormented for all eternity...
  17. Phoneman777

    Soul sleep

    Genesis 2:7 KJV refers to the "Living Soul" as a creature formed by the union of the Body and the Breath of Life. ANY creature, according to the following: "Deliver not the soul of thy turtledove". Psalm 79:14 KJV Will we argue that turtledoves have "a poltergeist that flies off to heaven or...
  18. Phoneman777

    "Hell doesn't last forever"..God is merciful

    JOHN 3:16 REVISED "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on Him should not perish, but have everlasting, happy, joyful, wonderful, sublime, awesome, off-the-chain, cracker-lackin' chillaxin' COMFORT life." John 3:16 (Apparently God got it all...
  19. Phoneman777

    Soul sleep

    I disagree with "thought for thought" Dynamic Equvalence methodology - creates room for a spin zone. That's why the KJV translators stuck to Formal Equivalence and Verbal Equivalence.
  20. Phoneman777

    Soul sleep

    Friend, you're basing your "immortal soul" idea on three or four texts that you either misinterpret or fail to see are figurative. How do I know? Please answer whether the following texts line up with what you say or what I say about what happens when we die: The dead don't know anything...