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Psalms 68:18 You have ascended on high, You have led captive Your captives; You have received gifts among men, Even among the rebellious also, that the LORD God may dwell there. Again a victorious human King. These verses are not going to get into a God messiah.

Of course the question is....who is him? Him does not automatically point to the Son of God.

Do you think that the Jews thought that the messiah would be the Son of God. The Old Testament prophecies are pointed to a human....that is why the Jews thought he would be a human. The prophecies are going talk about the reign of a king that had children and gained the spoils of victory.

Who is denying this?

Not sure where you are going with that. The verse about crush is referring to a human.

I like this. Read the psalm verse in context.....the human messiah was told to be a king

Yeshua is the Son of God.

Spoils....do not think so.

Crucified everyday? What do you mean what His baptism was?

It is referring to a human warlord king that would be the Jewish messiah. Understand that the Jews believed that Elijah was senior to the messiah, that was why Elijah was to introduce the messiah. If the Jews knew that the Messiah would be the Son of God they would not have rejected Him.

I like this. Read the psalm verse in context.....the human messiah was told to be a king. Hebrews says what it says.

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No, I think there is a difference between doing it and allowing to be done. Hmmm? Crucified in the womb? Interesting belief. Again you are referring to a verse that the Jews love and it points to a human. Yeshua was not interested in "spoils" This verse is referring to a victory by a human...

Romans 8:1-3 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by...

I tell you what, if you can come up with an Old Testament prophecy that says the Messiah would be the Son of God....then you will have something. But then if that were in the Old Testament, the Jews would not have rejected Yeshua.

That is true. But Yahweh did not nail Him to the cross. Allowing Him to be crucified is a lot different than He actually doing it. The term crush....is about someone else, crush is not crucified. A prophecy about Yeshua would include the word crucify...don't you think that Yahweh would know that?

I didn't have to....Yahweh did not crush His Son. The verse is not about Yeshua.

Yet it pleased Jehovah to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of Jehovah shall prosper in his hand. But the LORD was pleased To crush Him, putting Him to grief; If He would...

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No I got it right in one. Most definitely the Son of God and most definitely a full fledged God.... But there still few thing He was called....Lamb of God....Immanuel....Emmanuel.....Messiah....Savior....Yeshua.