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I am trying to figure out what you mean by "YOUR" apostolic and church fathers? Perhaps you can explain? Curious mary PS...I know you really don't like to answer questions AND most of your responses are in a mocking, don't put words in MY mouth tone but I SERIOUSLY would like a SERIOUS answer

Thank you taken. You do keep me in stitches......Good luck to you.

I thought you might want to educate yourself about your own Christian history and read what the men who walked and talked with the Apostles wrote/believed/practiced....I was wrong! :( You are only interested in what you think....of that I am not wrong. Mary

OK....sooooo once again USING YOUR THEORY I go to a local Catholic Church and you go to a local Baptist Church. You and I disagree on baptism; is it necessary, does it save? Communion; we must take it, the real presence in it like Jesus said!!! Which elders are to settle our difference? The...

"non-scriptural ideology"???? Really??? I agree with what the Apostolic Fathers have written. That is where I get my "non-Scriptural ideology". From whom do you get yours sir? Curious Mary PS.....Why do you use such harsh words?

Oh goodness....I look forward to the day I am 77 and can still be as active on the internet as you are! Good for you Stan B....Most people your age shy away from the internet and forums like this. Mary

Hi Stan, Who gave you the authority to decide what is heretical and what is not heretical? Curious Mary

They that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

LOL....Jesus has many laws and regulations. You know.....the thing he told us to DO (Luke 22:19) and have to do to have life in us (John 6:53) and what we are to do (Matthew 28:19). I could go on and on with more but I digress.... Bible Study Mary

I never suggested I was the "whole" church. Fact is I agreed with you that I am part of the church along with 2 billion other Christians. You are changing the discussion by adding the word "whole"......;) Sooooo which elder's do YOU choose to settle our difference? Which elders has the...

Thank you Stan B. Heres the deal kiddo.....you are wrong about wine being served at Catholic Masses. You have no evidence to back up your claim about killing the bearded guy. Here is the link to the council of Constance notes: Council of Constance 1414-18 Council Fathers - Papal Encyclicals...

At no time have I ever denied that Christ is the head of the church sooooooo your quotes are a mute point. I am trying to get you to back up your theory that we are all The Church. Using your theory I, Marymog, am The Church. Since I believe I am the Church (using your theory) the next time...

Sooooo your not willing to admit you were wrong about the CC not serving wine at mass??? :rolleyes: BTW....each church (or diocese) gets to decide if they serve it. AND you have no evidence to prove your claim that they wanted to kill or cut off the beard of the man????? :( Did you find any...

I don't recall you ever lying to me and going thru 5,000 post to look for a lie would take FOREVER....:) BOL may have a specific lie I am not aware of but I digress on that.... I believe You have convinced yourself what YOU believe is the truth and anyone that disagrees with YOU is wrong...

Got it....You can't back up your theory soooooo you keep repeating what you said before!!! Work on that theory a little bit more and get back with me when you have perfected it. Would you make a deal with me: :rolleyes: Since I believe I am the Church (using your theory) the next time you...

I agree.....you have. When any other man disagrees with you (a mere man) you believe they are wrong and you are right because Jesus taught you and not them.......o_O Do you sincerely believe that those other men (Apostolic and Church Fathers) did not follow Jesus? Can you not see the folly...

I write what The Church, which is the pillar and foundation of truth, teaches. If the pillar and foundation of truth teaches it then it is....the Truth. You see yourself as the pillar and foundation of truth therefore you believe YOU.....:(

I already know you don't read their works. You believe your works are superior to theirs sooooo why would you read their works? Do you believe the Apostolic Fathers didn't follow Jesus? Would you agree that the works/writings/teachings of the Apostolic Fathers hold greater weight than yours...

Thank you. Your saying the same thing with different words HOWEVER you never answered the question. Jesus also said "Upon this rock I will build my church"....not Churches!! When we have differences we take it to the church....not Churches. The Apostles where "The Church" and anyone that...

Hi Stan B, Hoooray....Someone that loves the Apostolic and ECF's writings like I do. We might become good friends....:rolleyes: First I would like to address your misconception that wine is not served at communion. It still is and I partake of it every Sunday at my church. It makes me sad...