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Lol, the modern church has the bride going up in a assumed rapture, but all the witnesses of the New Testament alleged the bride is coming down.

Ok, thanks I’ll have to wait and see how this goes, something about what I’m hearing doesn’t fit. I’m gonna hit the rack I’ve had about maybe 10 hrs of sleep in the last three day and am exhausted from the night shift.

So Gid says we are betrothed, this would imply that Paul has betrothed is being he is the one that’s promised us to Jesus, I guess my next question would be does this mean Paul is our Father, I don’t think so. the reason I ask is because by what authority does Paul make this promise, makes no...

So why is the church claim that the holy city descending a future event, when others have already witnessed it?

I guess the contention would be that if the marriage has already taken place, I don’t want to not acknowledge it. has she not already descended?

@Ziggy

Thanks for the response, but I still can’t seem to get any resolve how we can be the children born of God yet be the bride?

Jesus Himself identified His disciples as children, children of the bride chamber.

John 1:32-33 KJV [32] And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. [33] And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the...

The Baptist said he witnessed the bridegroom possessing the bride, how is it the church says this is a future event?

Revelation 21:2 KJV [2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

John 3:29 KJV [29] He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. Ok, far as I know John the Baptist only had one encounter with Jesus, in which...

I guess maybe this is a little off topic, sorry for the distraction.

A little confused here, almost every Christian I encounter says we are the bride of Christ. Why is this, and please any scripture that supports this message is greatly appreciated.

A trap, I was hoping you could give an explanation for why you believe the church is His bride?

Well, I believe it is Jesus that overcomes, the me is that world that has been overcome by Christ. In reference to the scripture you quoted, 2 Corinthians, I believe what is being said there in fact does say not to fornicate with the seducing spirits that are coming upon them. Most likely...

In briefly reading through the chapter it seems Paul doesn’t want that church associating with individuals that are trying to give them a different gospel.

Not much do you have anything else?

Could you post the scripture stating that the church is the bride of Christ, I hear this a lot among Christians but I’ve yet to see the scripture.

2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV [17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Revelation 21:3,5 KJV [3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them...