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Those who cannot be counseled cannot be helped. (Benjamin Franklin) There is NO PRE-TRIB RAPTURE doctrine written anywhere... in God's Word. What you have believed on is MEN, and not The Word of God. Jesus revealed His coming to gather His saints is AFTER... the tribulation He warned of...

Of course there is a lot more of Christ's Message in His Olivet discourse that goes with that single verse you pulled out of the Matthew 24 Chapter. That verse can ONLY be understood per that Chapter's flow of what all Jesus revealed there. The "issue of perseverance" is a created topic by men...

I don't heed Philo the Jew (a corrupt Jewish philosopher in ancient Alexandria, Egypt).

And that's the best you can come back with??? An credibility attack? You don't want to get into a Scripture battle with me, I assure you. I'm not some new babe Biblically illiterate like you apparently love to mouth off to.

Not True. The idea of Premill means that at Jesus' future return, right then He begins His "thousand years" reign over the nations with His "rod of iron", along with His elect of Revelation 20. And it is not difficult to understand Revelation 20 is showing that begins at His future return when...

Not really, and I ain't no Amillennialist. Per Jesus in John 5:28-29, which IS... about the resurrection on the day of His future return, He showed ALL in the graves will hear His voice and come forth, either to the "resurrection of life", or to the "resurrection of damnation". That means...

The erroneous idea that the deceived and wicked will convert to Jesus once they 'see' Christ's Church raptured is NOT written, but is an assumption ONLY, especially if one believes in the FALSE pre-trib rapture theory that claims Christ's Church will be raptured PRIOR to the great tribulation...

Don't be deceived by those on the FALSE pre-tribulational rapture doctrine. They do not heed the written Word of God, but only make up doctrines to fit their theories, and pull out of God's Word ONLY 'fragments' they think they need to use to back their theories up. The deceived who listen to...

You shouldn't say things like 'this cannot work'. The Matthew 24:15-28 verses are ALL "great tribulation" timing, which is the LATTER HALF of the Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week". The 70 'weeks' of Daniel 9 represent periods of 'sevens'. In the Hebrew it actually uses the idea of 'sevens'. The...

What a WHACKED thread. I'd be very careful about believing things written on this THREAD.

NOT IT. JERUSALEM is where the coming one-world government headquarters will be, per God's Holy Writ. Anywhere else is a disguise.

Like I said brethren in Christ. It is VERY EASY to recognize the fakes that come here which DENY Christ's Own Words, and instead follow MEN'S LEAVEN DOCTRINES. ANY... idea that goes AGAINST the Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 timing that Lord Jesus Himself gave for His future coming to...

Your ideas are a HUGE JOKE. Wasting my time with you not making sense.

You just lost me. I don't have a clue what you're talking about. Jesus' teaching about the event of the "abomination of desolation" is for the LAST GENERATION on this earth, NOT for the time of His crucifixion.

I don't either, so are you trying... to infer that I do? Do you always hear 'voices' or something, and think that's what others are saying? If you HAD READ what I posted, you would have KNOWN that I also believe the actual time of the "great tribulation" will be the LATTER HALF of the symbolic...

I certainly do believe the "legs of iron" represent the ancient Roman empire, a PAGAN empire. If you dwell on the idea of the fourth beast, you will be deceived by numbers, something our Lord Jesus also did in His Book of Revelation to confuse the profane from understanding it. To grasp what...

Go argue somewhere else WITH YOUR FOLLOWING DOCTRINES OF MEN and not Christ's Word. This THREAD is about the topic of Pre-trib's False tribulation saints idea, NOT the actual time of Christ's coming and gathering of His Church.

Is there someone behind you telling you I said those things? I never said that, so why would you infer I said it? Stick to what I said in my posts, and Scripture, and there won't be confusion. Both Daniel and Revelation are pointing to the same time of the end, the 42 months or 1260 days of...

Jerusalem is the Babylon Harlot of Revelation. No disagreement there. So go back to Daniel 2 and look at the 'structure' of kingdoms for the very end when Jesus returns to setup His eternal literal kingdom on earth. Dan 2:34-35 34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which...

Yeah, but the battle is going to be a 'spiritual' battle for the "great tribulation" even as Jesus showed in His Olivet discourse, and in His Book of Revelation, and in the Book of Daniel. We are shown in Daniel 8 and 11 that the coming false one will destroy many using 'peace', and Jesus said...