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I disagree. I think by saying that then, to be consistent, you should also believe that he was not talking about the literal heavens and earth, either, because I believe you saying this would indicate that you think he wasn't talking about a physical destruction event there in 2 Peter 3:10-12...

It does. That's my point. Right. Right. It's kind of comical that you're saying all this as if I was saying anything different. Oh well. Nothing new for us to misunderstand each other. Where did Peter mention a local destruction event? I believe the local destruction event that Jesus talked...

Are you expecting me to specifically address what you said here when you didn't specifically address what I said about Luke 17:26-30? Why is it that you didn't address what I said about that passage? I'm not interested in a one way discussion where you don't address any of my points while you...

Right. But, unlike most Premills, they think that the earth will be desolate during the thousand years which is one of the strangest beliefs I've ever seen about anything.

So, if I'm understanding you right here, you are trying to say that the meaning of the passage (Isaiah 65:17-25), which undeniably refers to the new heavens and new earth, is to indicate that things will return again to how they were long ago when people lived for hundreds of years? If so, how...

My post was not in response to you directly, so I would appreciate if you don't respond to me directly with things like this. You wouldn't want me to respond to every post you make that you say things about Amills and just repeat back what you said in relation to Premills, right? I highly doubt...

This is something that I have pointed out many times and the Premills who believe that Isaiah 65:17-25 relates to the thousand years (not all of them do) just ignore it! So, they expect us to believe that when someone gets hurt in any way during the supposed future thousand years they will never...

Well, God bless you for admitting that. Would you agree with me that passages like Isaiah 65:17-25 should not be one of the main passages that we use to support our doctrine and that we should use more clear passages as the foundation of our doctrine? Agree. Good question. Agree 100%. I don't...

LOL. You are a prankster. That was a good one. Is that something Jerry Huerta had said and you copied that? It all seems like things he would say.

Do you agree that there is only one new heavens and one new earth (some try to say there are two) and that there will be no more death when the new heavens and new earth are ushered in?

He doesn't like when I say he interprets scripture with doctrinal bias, but he so clearly does. He is obviously not looking at Isaiah 65:17-25 objectively. He's only looking at it from a Premill perspective while trying to find a way to make it fit Premill.

Is there some reason why you can't give a straightforward answer to a straightforward question? I find you to be hard to follow sometimes. and this is one of those times. Can you just tell me straightforwardly who exactly you think the resurrected saints are that will end up being destroyed by...

Agree. Another question to ask him is whether he thinks that the new heavens and new earth that Peter said we look for in direct fulfillment of the promise of His second coming has wickedness occurring there despite Peter saying it will be "the new heavens and new earth wherein dwelleth...

The box includes Revelation 21:1-4 and 2 Peter 3:13, so why would you want to only think outside of it? Why would you want to try to interpret Isaiah 65:17-25 without the aid of other scripture while making sure your interpretation of it doesn't contradict any other scripture? Does it not occur...

So, it seems that you simply see the punctuation differently than he does rather than it being a case of you purposely rearranging the words, as he falsely accuses you of doing.

I don't know what you're saying here. Are you trying to say that you think Isaiah 65:20 doesn't relate to the new heavens and new earth even though it clearly does? Isaiah starts talking about the new heavens and new earth in verse 17 and then proceeds to talk about until verse 25.

Which are the nations that you think will inherit eternal life and which are the nations that you think will be cast into "everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels"?

It's very easy to defend and you certainly have done nothing whatsoever to refute it. You think those who are left behind when Jesus comes and will be told by Jesus that He doesn't know them are in the church and will be martyred when the reality is that they are most certainly not in the church...

He declared no such thing. No, they are not martyred, they are destroyed by Jesus. Only believers get martyred. Those left behind include those who the five foolish virgins represent. How can you think that Jesus would tell true Christians that are in the church this... Matthew 25:11 Afterward...

Can you please answer my question first? Again, I said this... When the dead in Christ are resurrected at Christ's return their bodies will be changed to put on immortality and will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air (1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:14-17), so you can't be talking about them...