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I know Hebrews well. What is your point?

I am not sure what you are referring to. If you are referring to the Catholic Church, it was not Pagan. And I am not refusing to discuss the Catholic Church. The point I make is that OSAS is not biblical and does not occur in history until modern times. Being inline with social and political...

We are Christians. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him

The bible does not say that, those items define a genuine Christians...because the phrase genuine Christians does not appear in the scriptures. Define your personal term and we can move on.

I agree that, that adjective is a personal term that you have yet to define. Again you keep referencing non biblical terms..."true Christian and genuine Christian are terms / phrases that do not appear in the scriptures. Define your personal terms and we can move on.

It means we are Christians.

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,...agreed No. If I lived in the biblical era...maybe. As a Christian in modern times....the Law has nothing to do with me. I have never lived under the Law...again I am not a Jew and never have been. I have never broken the Law or the...

Sola scriptura ("by scripture alone" in English) is a theological doctrine held by some Protestant Christian denominations that posits the Christian scriptures as the sole infallible source of authority for Christian faith and practice. So you ask what does sola scriptura have to do with your...

Yes I know the significance of the crucifixion.

Not sure what you are trying to say. But yes we are raised with Christ when we are baptizes and this is backed up with scripture.

Sola scriptura Sola scriptura ("by scripture alone" in English) is a theological doctrine held by some Protestant Christian denominations that posits the Christian scriptures as the sole infallible source of authority for Christian faith and practice.

Are you saying that the genuine Christian have not been raised with Christ, contrary to what scriptures says? Yes and no

sola scriptura

Yes and no

Find the phrase genuine Christian in the Bible

Died with Christ and raised with Christ...a God

If you are asking if I have issues with these scriptures...I do not. If you are asking if they prove OSAS...they do not. You asked...If it is real, would you agree that that is all over with and done, or not?. No. Not thing is over and done.

LOL did not say anything against Ferris. Is this a complaint? As far as I am concerned my patience and restraint should be commended. Tong2020 We have crossed paths before....Predestinationist. Definitely hard headed. As they use to say in the old days obdurate from turning way from heresy.

Exactly the day of redemption....?

This one here confuses the tar out of people. Justification is a verdict of innocent. But it takes more than that...judicial term...you can be declared innocent but that does not mean you are not going to go out and commit a crime. Wouldn't it be nice if we were recreated as innocent beings...