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Once again what you believe does not match up with scripture. We don't go with our own heart. We go with The Truth. My heart tells me you are wrong. Therefor, according to your theory I am probably right. That is until I "check in with Him" and He tells me I am wrong. Then that makes you right...

Hi, I quoted others before me, who walked and talked with the Apostles. Who are you quoting? Yourself, right???? The Truth came to me in a relationship with Him also. Your truth is different than my truth. So I ask you again: Are you confused about His answer to you? Or am I confused about His...

I did ask Him. He did give me my answer. He told me you were wrong. What do we do now Amadeus? IHS...Mary

Oh goodness Scott..... Your words are simply and utterly fascinating to me. I have read multiple books about the history of the early Church, the Apostolic Fathers and the Early Church Fathers. Those writers have come from protestant to Catholic to agnostic backgrounds. I have NEVER read what...

Got it CLEARLY now. Thank you. Since you believe the bread and wine of communion is not Christ literal body and blood then how is my previous accusation, "None of you believe and do what he stated Truly! This IS my body and unless you eat it you have no life in you" a lie? I accused you of...

Hi Victory, Thank you for the blessing. Especially needed now that my father is in hospice. :( Since you are unable to articulate your belief of how your bible verses connect to our discussion I will no longer pester you about it. I apologize for putting you on the spot. However, I ask you...

Hi Amadeus, If the men I have named are not right AND, according to your own statement, you are certainly not the one who is not always right, does that mean that both you and the Apostolic Fathers are wrong? Or are you right about the Real Presence and they are wrong? Confused Mary

Hi Truth, I Love bible study. However we are WAY off track from the OP. I will respond and I expect a response from you, however, if we want to discuss this anymore after that then we should start another thread or you can private message me. When I suggested Paul was taught by the Apostles I...

Once again, I see no connection. Maybe you could explain how all of this connects? Love, Mary

Hi Scott, You have me VERY confused. You tell me to listen to my heroes (men who walked and talked with the Apostles) and seem to be suggesting they didn't have Christ in them and you (or "we", whoever "we" is) have Christ in you?? Do you really believe the men I listed did not have Christ in...

Thank you Scott. In an effort to make sure that we are on the same page here I believe this is my "second statement" that you are referring to(?): None of you believe and do what he stated Truly! This IS my body and unless you eat it you have no life in you. (summary of John 6) I can see where...

Are you suggesting your credentials and your interpretation of scripture is more stellar than the Apostolic Fathers and the Early Church Fathers? You know what you are talking about, 2000 years later, but they didn't? Confused Mary

Non taken. Galatians 1 where he spends time with Peter and James. Mary

Thank you. I fail to understand what His bones have to do with the Real Presence. I don't see the connection. If we are going to quote John about the Real Presence we should quote John 6, not one verse from John 14. Mary

Hi, I think it is a real mistake to not fully quote Ignatius: Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God… They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not...

@VictoryinJesus , @Wormwood, @amadeus, @Bygrace, @ScottA Jesus said, “Do this in remembrance of me”. All or most of you do as he asked. You believe what He said and do what he asked. None of you believe and do what he stated Truly! This IS my body and unless you eat it you have no life in you...

Jesus disrupted a lot of discussions also....:eek: (not comparing BOL to Jesus) Mary

Thank you. Paul says Wafers or wine CAN bring damanation on those that eat or drink of them in an unworthy manner. I agree with Paul. The Christians who walked and talked with the apostles agreed with Paul and Jesus. So do I. It has been believed for 2,000 years. To believe opposite is a 500...

A Phoenix man who violated city zoning laws by hosting a Bible study in the privacy of his home has started serving a 60-day jail sentence for his crimes. I have been part of 3 churches: 2 Protestant, 1 Catholic I agree...they obviously were uneducated. The two protestant churches I have been...

Thank you wormwood for your thoughtful input. I agree with you that we need Jesus to sustain us. That is why He said, Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Further saying This is the bread that came down from heaven...